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Suspected sockpuppets



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Hey can you block the sock and sock puppeteer. He's continuing to revert and also disrupting other articles. -TheseusHeLl (talk) 02:07, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
 * The use of the typo "Wetter" instead of "Whether" in his edit summaries (a weird typo)
 * Ozan33Ankara (
 * AlaskaLava
 * They're both from the Netherlands (per the use of the ccTLD ".nl")
 * Ozan33Ankara
 * AlaskaLava
 * The shared interest in adding "arab" to Islamic Personalities' articles
 * Ozan33Ankara (his edit history is full of these articles)
 * AlaskaLava (his edit history is full of these articles)
 * Adding Himyar to articles
 * Ozan33Ankara
 * AlaskaLava
 * The use of "Go to talk page xx xx xx even mentions him xx" in his edit summaries
 * Ozan33Ankara
 * AlaskaLava
 * The misuse of WP:Mainstream and the use "WP:Mainstream" in his edit summaries
 * Ozan33Ankara
 * AlaskaLava
 * The use of "invaluable information xx xx" in his edit summaries
 * Ozan33Ankara
 * AlaskaLava
 * AlaskaLava created his account on 23 September 2015, he stopped editing on 31 May 2017. On 10 September 2017, Ozan33Ankara was created, AlaskaLava turned it to his main editing account on 11 April 2018 and abandoned editing with his first account for the next two years, until he returned to his main account on 2 June 2020 and stopped editing with his second account (see his edit history Ozan33Ankara) for the whole month of June, etc. TheseusHeLl (talk) 22:58, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

I don't know what he told you privately, but he was using the two accounts for five years without disclosing it. "An editor using multiple accounts for valid reasons should, on each account's user page, list all the other accounts with an explanation of their purpose." He didn't create the second account for a legetimate use (per the valid reasons under WP:SOCKLEGIT). He's claiming that he's using (AlaskaLava) "for East African more precisely Horn of African related articles" while he uses Ozan33Ankara for Middle-East, North African related topics. But that's not the full picture, all of his edits are made to islamic history-related articles (the Yusuf ibn Tashfin article he edited using 'AlaskaLav' is not an "East African more precisely Horn of African related article"). There is no East African-MENA demarcation line between his accounts. Plus all of the destruptive edits, the deprecated sites, self-published books, misrepresentation of sources, edit warring and unexplained moves, etc. He's definitely not here to build an encyclopedia. -TheseusHeLl (talk) 01:19, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

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& are ✅. There is also, but in his case,. Salvio 07:35, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
 * In the light of the continued disruption, I have indeffed Ozan33Ankara and blocked AlaskaLava for three days. Clerks, please feel free to tweak whatever needs tweaking. Salvio 07:48, 22 July 2020 (UTC)


 * I don't think there is sufficient behavioral evidence to tie Buraomagnificent to this group. Closing without further blocks. GeneralNotability (talk) 13:36, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets



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GeneralNotability I'll try and give you the TLDR version.

As soon as he goes inactive on 9th of november. Ayaltimo shows up heavily invested in the same key areas of interests arround the same Articles/subjects:  Ajuran,  Geledi  ,  Hiraab ,   Mogadishu
 * Firstly Alaskalava was heavily invested in : Ajuran  , Geledi   , Mogadishu  , Hiraab  related articles.

Compare Ayaltimo and AlaskLava editing behavior:


 * Abshir55 also shows the same heavy interest in the same key areas: Ajuuran/Mogadishu , Hiraab   etc

Now compare Abshir55 editing behavior with Ayaltimo and AlaskLava: It shows overlap on the same related topics:. Ayaltimo and Abshir55 have the heaviest interest in hawiye and AlskaLava and Abshir55 have the most overlapp around Mogadishu & hawiye related pages:


 * Abshir55 says Imam Ahmed is Karanle Hawiye here and  Ayaltimo edits in OR around the same interest of Karanle territory and Karanle into Imam Ahmed's ethnicity section here:  and i edited it out because it was OR:


 * Lampard1234, TBftf  and Hamza678yu all have the same behavioral pattern of disrupting Barbaria article  and including original research into it: TBftf , Lampard1234  ,  Hamza678yu   ,   Lampard1234 got CU-blocked for including original research: . They are all disrupting the article and including OR one after the other.

Compare their editing behavior here and see the overlap:

and sometimes even in tandem with eachother:
 * All these accounts have the same general behavioral pattern of assembling in and interracted with Ayaltimo user talk page except for Lampard1234 because he got CU-Blocked: Abshir55   ,  Hamza678yu  ,  TBftf

For comparison:


 * Abshir55 mentions tribal enemy and Hamza678yu mentions 'tribal enemy'' . Both say this on Ayaltimo's talk page.

Ayaltimo is not a new account because he demonstrates knowledge about socking and socks on his first 2nd edit: and edits smoothly and demonstrates familiarity with wiki opon signing up. My apologies for the wall of text. I have a habit of writing lengthy explanations. Ragnimo (talk) 13:24, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

GeneralNotability In that case i'll leave his declared account out. AmandaNP did a partial CU check and confirmed that some of them are socks to eachother and other accounts. But the problem is Abshir55 demonstrates the same behavior as one of them Hamza678yu and the same behavior as Ayaltimo and Alaskalava. It's not a coincidence they are all interractive with Ayaltimo and vice versa. I listed all the evidence above. A full CU check on them is warranted and also these accounts could be using different IPs. They are troll accounts. Keep that in mind and check for location as well. Ragnimo (talk) 06:51, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

Are you going to endorse a CU check or? Maybe have someone lik look at the evidence. The above evidence points to them being socks of eachother or trolls working together. Ragnimo (talk) 16:12, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

Whats the hold up? I would like to see a conclusion to this case soon. Is there anything else i need to add or clarify? Because Ayaltimo is still trolling disrupting pages and edit warring people Ragnimo (talk) 21:27, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

zzuuzz Have you checked Abshir55? this acc is perhaps the link connecting them. Especially with Ayaltimo Ragnimo (talk) 14:20, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

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I’m innocent I haven’t got nothing to do with Ayaltimo like you know you can’t work together on wiki so why would i. I’m a cousin of Hamza678yu but we don’t work together I haven’t edited since so you can’t blame me on anything my cousin has his own separate account and when I look at his edit history the last time he did a edit on Barbaria was 10 days ago that’s all I know about his Wikipedia account.

I can’t be involved in this because well me and Ayaltimo don’t even know each other. Ayaltimo has been destroying Somali pages for weeks now and I made my account around 2 months before Ayaltimo made hers or his and for my cousin Hamza678yu I’m guessing he only used the term Walal because it is a respectful term in Somali meaning Bro other then that I don’t know anything about what his done.

Also my edit history is very small so you can’t blame me on anything since you said Ayaltimo Wahted to make these account’s for more editing history.

Another thing is that I’ve never talked to Ayaltimo like your saying I interacted with him Ayaltimo is the real person that should get banned not me because I’ve been editing on Wikipedia for 4 years with out a account using my IP adress till I got banned 4 months ago. Also my cousin’s pages are great if you wanna ban him ban him that’s not my problem but he has a really good project his telling me about which I think will be good so please just don’t ban me BAN AYALTIMO  — Preceding unsigned comment added by TBftf (talk • contribs) 19:21, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

This is my PROOF that I am not a socket puppet. 😊 thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by TBftf (talk • contribs) 19:16, 2 December 2020 (UTC)


 * First of all, I've already addressed every single claim you made by the last user on my second investigation and it has been reviewed and accepted by the moderators so I am not going to repeat myself here.


 * My edits and Alaska edits share no resemblance. I put Sarapion (2nd-century city) as the Mogadishu Sultanate predecessor but unfortunately, Alaska removed my edits. since he believes Mogadishu was founded in the 9th or 10th century by Arabs or Persians when you look at his other edit in Mogadishu page.  Clearly, we share different opinions and on top of that, his edit relating to Geledi Sultanate was quite different from mine because he's pushing the Arabic narrative in Somali history  while I was developing the Geledi Sultanate page . The same thing for Hiraab Imamate, Alaska was removing pictures belonging to Wandering Geeljire while I was improving the page  again it only proves we are two users who have two different extreme views and our editing does not correlate to each other.


 * I will just address a few things to clear my name. How can I possibly belong to these sock masters when I am reverting their vandalism? What you're doing is creating a false theory that can easily be rejected because it's such a ridiculous claim you're making. It's also sad how you're mixing up two known socks Mustafa0 and Sahasu when I've shown a clear sign of sharing a very different view from them.


 * Let's start off with Lampard1234. It's very obvious his sock master is Sahasu just based on their views and typing skills. I'm very positive they're using the same IP since one of his new socks openly admitted that he was banned multiple times. I've reverted Lampard1234 edits when he was vandalizing articles as you can see:, , , . I've also been doing the same thing with his other socks named TBftf and User:Hamza678yu where he vandalizes Somali pages and I have been cleaning them up , ,.


 * The reason why I know TBftf and User:Hamza678yu are both the same users as I addressed in my last investigation post is that both users use the same emoji "😊" as you can see from these two comments they made on my talk page. and.


 * I don't know about whether if Abshir55 is a sock puppet or not but one thing I do know is he was vandalizing a few pages and I kept reverting them back because he was misquoting the sources as you can see: and


 * If anything I'm safeguarding these pages from their vandalism so I don't know how I am being accused of belonging to the same sock when I'm cleaning up their mess.


 * I believe AlaskaLava is one of MustafaO's sock puppet. Here are the evidences I puzzled. Both users extremely are interested in Dir and Gadabursi articles. When Mustafa0 was active, Alaska was away for a whole three years until he came back in early 2020 when Mustafa0 got banned.  Both users are the biggest contributes to the Gadabursi page . He has created pages for unknown people belonging to the Gadabursi tribe., , , ,  and a few more. Now here is where it gets interesting the banned sock puppet accounts belonging to Mustafa0 also such as ChiefWanag and Jamalwalal do the same thing by creating unknown people from the Gadabursi tribe , , , . You'll see them in the same pages contributing Gadabursi related pages when you see the whole list:  and . It's very known Mustafa0 socks was the biggest contributor for Gadabursi related pages and I'm positive Alaska Lava is one of them but he's mixing up his edits so he doesn't get caught. I want the Admin to please investigate these socks I've mentioned above. Ayaltimo (talk)  20:34, 02 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Update I reverted one of Hamza678's vandalism before I knew he got banned. He even thinks I am destroying Wikipedia for reverting his ridiculous edits if you scroll up and read his opinions. I also reverted one of Alaska Lava's edits back then . I don't know why I am being accused of belonging to other users who share a very different opinion to me. It would be great if you could end the CU by investigating and disproving his bizarre claims. Ayaltimo (talk)  16:41, 06 December 2020 (UTC)

GeneralNotability and zzuuzz. You are the two moderators that proved my innocence. I'm still wondering why the CU is taking this long when the sock accounts he tries to tie me with have already been banned. It's clear Hamza678, TBftf and his other socks of this month belong to this sock master. The user has failed to bring insufficient evidence and only resorted to making ridiculous accusations which I have already addressed above me. Alaska Lava is most definitely a sock puppet but I wish a CU to be done on me and Alaska Lava which will show you both users are unrelated. Ayaltimo (talk) 21:00, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

Ragnimo Can you apologize now since the CU proved me and Alaska Lava are unrelated? You were wrong the second time now. I don't wish to be your enemy or fight your battles. I have proved to myself again and again that I do not belong to any sock puppet. Wikipedia is about being a community and I have a clear interest in Somali articles so any animosity you have towards me I hope it drops now so that we can move forward. Ayaltimo (talk) 23:04, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

LOL you think I’m Hamza678yu LOl every one can use 😊 u have no proof so please leave Wikipedia with out putting my name in your situation’s bye — Preceding unsigned comment added by TBftf (talk • contribs) 08:10, 3 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Ragnimo You can't be serious? You falsely accused me of belonging to a sock master and CU just proved I am unrelated. The least you can do is apologize and move forward. RoySmith Can you close down the clerk note now since the investigation has been completed? Ayaltimo (talk) 04:37, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * Well, that's a wall of text that's going to take a while to go through. In the meantime, pings:
 * , you CU-blocked Lampard1234, can you share who they're a sock of?
 * , courtesy ping since you did the block last time (and I see you unblocked Ozan33).
 * GeneralNotability (talk) 18:12, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
 * , you have given us a wall of text about their behaviors, but I only see conjecture as to how they are related. Please provide specific paired diffs with clear explanations of how the diffs show that they are the same person or are otherwise working together in a disruptive manner. No need to show anything for Ozan33Ankara, that is a declared alternate account. GeneralNotability (talk) 18:26, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
 * , that does not violate socking rules - they have stated that their intent is to edit a particular topic area with the alternative account, but that is entirely voluntary and the connection between the two is clearly declared. GeneralNotability (talk) 01:49, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
 * -- Amanda  (aka DQ) 01:42, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
 * , your edit summary said partial result - any more coming here? GeneralNotability (talk) 14:55, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I haven't looked over the evidence presented, I was pointed to this for other reasons and found that farm. I didn't have an intention of checking anything else without an endorsement. -- Amanda  (aka DQ) 19:27, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Roger that, thanks. GeneralNotability (talk) 19:27, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
 * My impression is that User:AmandaNP has only confirmed the above blocked accounts to each other. In fact, my own checks are not as extensive as theirs but I can User:TBftf to User:Hamza678yu and to a sleeper account called User:Hamza678yuH, that I've blocked just this minute. No comment on any possible connection to AlaskaLava or others named in this case, since I didn't research that. Some of these socks were publicly created by existing accounts, as you can see in . It might be worth it for someone just to go through and look at all their creation logs. EdJohnston (talk) 22:31, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Ftr, that was my understanding also. -- Amanda  (aka DQ) 22:57, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
 * -- Amanda  (aka DQ) 01:42, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
 * , your edit summary said partial result - any more coming here? GeneralNotability (talk) 14:55, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I haven't looked over the evidence presented, I was pointed to this for other reasons and found that farm. I didn't have an intention of checking anything else without an endorsement. -- Amanda  (aka DQ) 19:27, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Roger that, thanks. GeneralNotability (talk) 19:27, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
 * My impression is that User:AmandaNP has only confirmed the above blocked accounts to each other. In fact, my own checks are not as extensive as theirs but I can User:TBftf to User:Hamza678yu and to a sleeper account called User:Hamza678yuH, that I've blocked just this minute. No comment on any possible connection to AlaskaLava or others named in this case, since I didn't research that. Some of these socks were publicly created by existing accounts, as you can see in . It might be worth it for someone just to go through and look at all their creation logs. EdJohnston (talk) 22:31, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Ftr, that was my understanding also. -- Amanda  (aka DQ) 22:57, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
 * -- Amanda  (aka DQ) 01:42, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
 * , your edit summary said partial result - any more coming here? GeneralNotability (talk) 14:55, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I haven't looked over the evidence presented, I was pointed to this for other reasons and found that farm. I didn't have an intention of checking anything else without an endorsement. -- Amanda  (aka DQ) 19:27, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Roger that, thanks. GeneralNotability (talk) 19:27, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
 * My impression is that User:AmandaNP has only confirmed the above blocked accounts to each other. In fact, my own checks are not as extensive as theirs but I can User:TBftf to User:Hamza678yu and to a sleeper account called User:Hamza678yuH, that I've blocked just this minute. No comment on any possible connection to AlaskaLava or others named in this case, since I didn't research that. Some of these socks were publicly created by existing accounts, as you can see in . It might be worth it for someone just to go through and look at all their creation logs. EdJohnston (talk) 22:31, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Ftr, that was my understanding also. -- Amanda  (aka DQ) 22:57, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Roger that, thanks. GeneralNotability (talk) 19:27, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
 * My impression is that User:AmandaNP has only confirmed the above blocked accounts to each other. In fact, my own checks are not as extensive as theirs but I can User:TBftf to User:Hamza678yu and to a sleeper account called User:Hamza678yuH, that I've blocked just this minute. No comment on any possible connection to AlaskaLava or others named in this case, since I didn't research that. Some of these socks were publicly created by existing accounts, as you can see in . It might be worth it for someone just to go through and look at all their creation logs. EdJohnston (talk) 22:31, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Ftr, that was my understanding also. -- Amanda  (aka DQ) 22:57, 9 December 2020 (UTC)


 * And Ayaltimo is technically ❌ to AlaskaLava, or the TBftf farm above. -- zzuuzz (talk) 22:54, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
 * tagged Lampard1234 as confirmed to Shit233333334 -- RoySmith (talk) 15:26, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
 * AlaskaLava and Ozan33Ankara are indeed the same person, but per this explanation and the declarations on both user pages, they are using those accounts in ways that don't violate WP:ILLEGIT. Ayaltimo has been found by CU to be technically unrelated, and looking at Ayaltimo's Abshir55's contribs, I see that they are unique among the bunch in exclusively using Mobile Web Edit.  So, closing this. As for the bunch  found, unless there's some objection, I'm going to spin them off into WP:Sockpuppet investigations/Shit233333334. -- RoySmith (talk) 16:07, 12 December 2020 (UTC)