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All users are removing the speedy deletion notice from Sedat Sönmez and this Editor Interaction Analyser result showing a possible sign of sockpuppetry. GSS (talk |c|em ) 12:37, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

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 * I just saw this SPI after I added the names to the OfficialPankajPatidar list. Whoops. Chrissymad  ❯❯❯  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯  12:41, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
 * and I just saw your's after filling this lol. GSS (talk |c|em ) 12:45, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

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 * - redundant to Sockpuppet investigations/OfficialPankajPatidar as already observed. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 13:20, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

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this was originally filed at Sockpuppet investigations/OfficialPankajPatidar. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 15:48, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

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Recreation of OPP article Sedat Sönmez, followed by the other accounts removing speedy tags and shared editing history. Chrissymad ❯❯❯  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯  12:37, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

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lol can an admin please delete this case I filled recently on the same group Sockpuppet investigations/Amirshahat. Thank you – GSS (talk |c|em ) 12:43, 15 March 2017 (UTC)


 * I have some doubts that this is technically (though i'm not a CU, just a hunch based on writing) OPP but it's definitely an OPP recreation - in any case there is a crapload of socking on that article and several others they've created. I feel like we need a flow chart for this SPI XD Chrissymad  ❯❯❯  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯  12:46, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Appears to be pretty close to the OPP creation... Chrissymad  ❯❯❯  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯  12:53, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I notice the article was previously created by some sockpuppets of Ashishchopra778 (see this search result). GSS (talk |c|em ) 13:03, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
 * The last two creations wound up being filed under Ashish but were actually OPP socks ( I think the Ashish SPI is mostly OPP socks?) See here. Chrissymad  ❯❯❯  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯  13:07, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Oh I thought it was first created in January 2017 by who is tagged as a sockpuppet of Ashishchopra778 and the same day it was posted in the draftspace by  who is again tagged as a sock of Ashishchopra778. GSS  (talk |c|em ) 13:23, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

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 * Primefac (talk) 13:14, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
 * The four named accounts are ✅ to one another, but appear technically ❌ to either OPP or Ashishchopra. Yunshui 雲 水 13:17, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I was going to say, this looks like a separate farm to me, of which Amirshahat is the oldest. Except for Sedat Sönmez I don't see the link to OPP. Perhaps this is a different Fiverr user who just happened to overlap. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 13:32, 15 March 2017 (UTC)


 * The only reason we have the Ashish case is because I didn't file it under OPP GABgab 13:43, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
 * You're right, all of the accounts in that case except Ashishchopra778 were confirmed to OPP and the whole thing should probably be merged here, except for the Natalieraum group which probably should get their own case. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 14:03, 15 March 2017 (UTC)


 * with thanks to, I've re-tagged the confirmed accounts and adjusted the new master's block to allow talk/email access. Splitting this into a new case is going to be complicated, please don't archive. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 15:38, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Ok, apologies that the history is a mess but I'm confident all the diffs are in the right place here. Closing. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 16:03, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

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Hitting the sock jackpot. Cha-ching Chrissymad  ❯❯❯  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯  16:49, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

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 * Blocked, page creations deleted and salted. Yunshui 雲 水 16:55, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

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Had a feeling yesterday when House of Angels (2000 film) was created but now we've got quacking. CHRISSY MAD ❯❯❯  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯  15:00, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

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 * . Purging contribs. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 15:39, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

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Recreation of Adem Atbas as Adem Atbas (actor) and tag team CSD removal between and. CHRISSY MAD ❯❯❯  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯  23:36, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

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 * and for all the hard work. Maybe we should just rename all those to "Fiverr sock graveyard" (or whatever garbage place they're coming from) :P  CHRISSY MAD  ❯❯❯  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯  16:26, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

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— Berean Hunter   (talk)  13:08, 20 April 2017 (UTC) — Berean Hunter   (talk)  16:09, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
 * - Could you please check these deleted pages? Thanks! GABgab 21:50, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
 * - I believe this is going to need a checkuser to help sort out. Based on this, we have re-creations stemming from this account leading to Sockpuppet investigations/Mutlutopuz. Meanwhile, based on this account which is re-creating the same article is a banned user See Special:Undelete/Kenan Tosun and Special:Undelete/Sedat Sönmez.  may be the one to help untangle this knotwork.
 * Your faith may be misplaced, but I'll have a go - gimme a few minutes... Yunshui 雲 水 13:15, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, the two named accounts above are ✅ to one another. ISP, useragent data and location all match previous Amirshahat socks pretty closely. Doesn't match anything I've seen previously from OPP, so I'm going to say these socks are technically ❌ to anything here; in the same way I can't see a technical connection to this SPI either. So... from a CU perspective I'd say these two are socks of Amirshahat, but that they are not related to OPP/Mutlutopuz/Eses2692 etc. Yunshui 雲 水 13:28, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Cheers. Blocks and tags are in place so closing.

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Identical recreation of Ekonba and Amir740's Adem Atbas (actor). CHRISSY MAD ❯❯❯  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯  17:16, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

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— Berean Hunter   (talk)  18:04, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Indeffed sock and G5'd article. Closing.

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Recreation of Fursan (brand) as Fursan(Brand), crossover editing with Ericcraftsman. Followed by Atia1456 and Leather.Expert tag team removing speedy notices on same article. CHRISSY MAD ❯❯❯  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯  18:53, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

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 * — k6ka  🍁 ( Talk ·  Contributions ) 19:01, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

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Another recreation (or two) of Sedat sönmez. . GABgab 23:38, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

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 * - Thanks, GABgab 23:39, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
 * GeneralizationsAreBad - ✅.  ~Oshwah~  (talk) (contribs)   23:40, 22 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Tagged and closing. GABgab 23:42, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

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Recreation of...you guessed it, Sedat Sonmez. CHRISSY MAD ❯❯❯  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯  09:39, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

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 * -- There'sNoTime (to explain) 12:17, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

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Recreation of many different salted versions of Sedat Sonmez, as Sedat Sönmez(Businessman) with Audry hampton removing tags whenever they're placed, same usual routine. CHRISSY MAD ❯❯❯  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯  19:19, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

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— Berean Hunter   (talk)  21:50, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
 * : A check for sleepers would be helpful, I think, before finishing everything off. Nick (talk) 19:43, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I agree. It's been a bit since a check was done.
 * The following accounts are ✅:
 * is technically, behaviorally compelling, and made an admission on my Talk page.
 * Blocked the unblocked accounts, tagged, closing.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:19, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
 * is technically, behaviorally compelling, and made an admission on my Talk page.
 * Blocked the unblocked accounts, tagged, closing.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:19, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
 * is technically, behaviorally compelling, and made an admission on my Talk page.
 * Blocked the unblocked accounts, tagged, closing.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:19, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

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Sedat Sönmez and the quacking continues. Might be worth another sleeper check? CHRISSY MAD ❯❯❯  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯  12:18, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

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Just notice also reported this user at Sockpuppet investigations/OfficialPankajPatidar. Thank you – GSS (talk |c|em ) 13:04, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

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 * . GABgab 22:53, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

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Recreating Sedat Sonmez as Sedat Sonmez (Entrepreneur) very soon after User:Burak got veran, another sock had been blocked and immediately afterr the previous version of the article had been speedied  Velella  Velella Talk 21:38, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

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 * , especially compared to the previous sock. See in particular their incoherent userpages. Thanks, GABgab 00:41, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
 * . NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 03:35, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

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This account actually has a shared interest in several different sock areas but I'm going off the edits/creation of Fursan (leather goods) which was created originally as FURSAN(Leather Brand) and quite a few other names (Fursan(Leathe Goods), Fursan(Leather Goods)) and the recreation of Sabah Al-Haidoos. Very loud quacking here. I'm requesting CU as they tend to have a host of sleepers. CHRISSY MAD ❯❯❯  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯  15:23, 14 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Well this is interesting, after looking at the creator, who not only recreated Fursan, Sabah but also Marco Jones Ekamba, which was another creation by, I'm not convinced this will be a technical match to this master but rather another paid editing/sock "ring", based on their tenure here and on another Wiki. CHRISSY MAD  ❯❯❯  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯  15:32, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Funny you mention that - I was about to add some info there too. This seems like more paid editing to me (similar to what happened with the OPP/Amir/Ashish split.) and I wouldn't be surprised if this is a new set of socks given the length the current user has been on different projects. CHRISSY MAD  ❯❯❯  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯  15:37, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

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 * - There's an overlap with at D1 Milano, so I'm adding them, too. Thanks,  GABgab 15:35, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
 * - Katietalk 15:39, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
 * The nature of paid editing means that these kinds of cases may never be 100% conclusive. But it's worth investigating. GABgab 15:39, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Hmm.
 * Mehdihefa is to the master.
 * Miijan Simonovic and Tarsisch are editing from different schools that are nowhere near each other. Simonovic is  based on geolocation to the master. Tarsisch is  but I won't rule out meatpuppetry.


 * These may all be students looking for extra money from paid editing. I'll leave it to you guys to sort out the behavior. Katietalk 15:56, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm on the fence here, and would really appreciate another set of eyes., would you be so kind? Thanks,  GABgab 19:50, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm not familiar with this sockmaster, but from what I can gather these are not sockpuppets, it's more of a paid editing/meatpuppetry type situation. Sro23 (talk) 20:30, 23 July 2017 (UTC)


 * OK, closing with no action. We can deal with this if they resume editing. GABgab 01:15, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

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Recreated the "Fursan" article under a similar title, Fursan(leather Goods). GeoffreyT2000 (talk, contribs) 18:20, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

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 * Behaviorally obvious. . GABgab 15:28, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

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Recreated FURSAN(leather goods), same M.O. as other socks. RickinBaltimore (talk) 20:01, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

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 * Blocked along with User:Faezeh.khalafi. Draft:FURSAN(leather goods) deleted. GABgab 23:11, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

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Recreated Sabah Al-Haidoos as Sabah al-haidoos, which was then moved by Kaizenify. GeoffreyT2000 (talk, contribs) 05:16, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

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 * . GABgab 15:05, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

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Edited Sabah Al-Haidoos before deletion; and Silatech, which was also previously edited by. GeoffreyT2000 (talk, contribs) 00:28, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

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 * 72 hours. That's an interesting geolocation, too. GABgab 00:46, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

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recreation of their favourite topic Fursan (brand), the most recent version FURSAN(leather goods) was created by and was deleted by  couple of weeks back and then Bettersmiley recreated it as Fursan (brand) which appears to be a case of undisclosed paid editing. Pinging for the help. Thank you – GSS (talk |c|em ) 13:18, 5 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Bettersmiley also recreated ’s work Jibin George Sebastian only 2 weeks after it was deleted by . He is definitely involve in undisclosed paid editing so I think it time to take him serious. Thank you – <span style="font-family:monospace;font-weight:bold;font-size:16px;color:hsl(205, 98%, 55%);">GSS (talk |c|em ) 13:41, 5 August 2017 (UTC)


 * His list getting bigger, he also recreated ’s work Prashant pandey7 and Pandey prashant under different title Prashant Pandey (activist) and used file Prashant pandey.jpg which was uploaded by Kapil96300. Kapil96300 was blocked by JamesBWatson. Thank you – <span style="font-family:monospace;font-weight:bold;font-size:16px;color:hsl(205, 98%, 55%);">GSS (talk |c|em ) 13:56, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

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 * I filed an SPI earlier on this -- Sockpuppet_investigations/Waffen77/Archive and Bbb23 found it possible --- geo-close to JibinGeorge and a UA match, I'm guessing it's one of the Kerala - Bangalore groups. Whether this is linked to a particular group or not, this is clear undisclosed paid editing, the linkage to a sock farm will only make it easier to do the clean up. Given that the user has been alerted to COI disclosure requirements, I'm inclined to do a ToS block on those grounds alone, especially given the heavy advertorial nature of contributions. I'm pinging to get a second opinion as I've probably been following this mess almost since it began and it'd be nice to have someone else decide here. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  13:58, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

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 * this account is already CU-blocked. you appear to have tagged this account in reference to Sockpuppet investigations/Farmergold but  previously made an "unrelated" finding in that case. Do you have a different result? Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 13:15, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I checked Bettersmiley based on this ANI thread and confirmed that there was socking via the account (another obvious paid editing account). There were topic overlaps with this group (e.g. Beat of Indian Youth and yet another variation of Jibin George Sebastian), but everything in that SPI is stale. There are so many paid editing groups working out of the same geographical region that pinning any single sock to a specific group can be a crap shoot.-- Jezebel's Ponyo bons mots  15:51, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I agree with the crap shoot comment. The account is blocked and I'm not going to bother tagging. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 16:04, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

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 * , . Deleted Zeki Zorlu, Sabah AlHaidoos, Hüseyin Ayduk Esat Koray, Himmet Karadağ, Sönmez Group. GABgab 23:54, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

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as per WP:DUCK. Deleted Saeed Mohammed Al Tayer and Sabah AlHaidos. If anyone wants to PROD or XFD the other stuff, be my guest. GABgab 15:03, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

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Recreating Sabah AlHaidos as Sabah Ismail Al-Haidoos with identical text. Looks like a duck to me  Velella  Velella Talk 15:44, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

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 * . Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 18:12, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

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A collection of single-purpose or low-edit-count users associated with Ezzeldin Tahoun and Articles for deletion/Ezzeldin Tahoun, starting with the article creator Shaalabaz (only edits: Tahoun). The IPs have Tahoun's article as their only recent edits; it has also been edited by Mehdikhan20 (new editor with some scattered edits to other subjects; also has deleted contributions to Fursan (brand) but I didn't find any connections to other editors there) and Amirdaeii (editor created last July but only activated yesterday with, again, scattered edits to other subjects). One of the IPs geolocates to McMaster University, Tahoun's home institution; another is also in Ontario while one is in Saudi Arabia (which the article suggests Tahoun may have ties to through KAU). Then, suddenly, we get four similarly-incoherent keeps on the AfD from Mehdikhan20, Amirdaeii, and two other new editors: Dave linc (only edits: new user page and four AfDs including this one) and Kurt logann (only edits: new user page and AfD). Given the activation of Amirdaeii from sleeper status, checkuser is requested to detect other sleepers. David Eppstein (talk) 17:50, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

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 * Fursan (brand) was written by who was blocked for having . Special:Undelete/Beat of Indian Youth shows Bettersmiley editing after  was blocked. Alwayssmileguys was an account that was created after the writer of Beat of Indian Youth was blocked and that writer was  who has their own SPI here.


 * Special:Undelete/Jibin George Sebastian shows that that article was written by a Wikikings' sock, back in 2015. Bettersmiley began improving that article this last July. In the interim, there were socks that were initially credited to the Waffen77 sock group but were later decided to belong to the JibinGs group.


 * This however appears to be another group that also crosses over into this subject as seen here. Bettersmiley was confused as being an Amirshahat sock because that group seems to have gotten into the mix.

— Berean Hunter   (talk)  23:46, 11 October 2017 (UTC) — Berean Hunter   (talk)  15:32, 13 October 2017 (UTC) — Berean Hunter   (talk)  15:35, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Dave linc and Kurt logann are on the same IP but using two different devices. All four non-stale accounts, Dave linc, Kurt logann, Amirdaeii, and Mehdikhan20 are Amirshahat socks/meats based on cu data. Shaalabaz is stale.
 * Amirdaeii, Mehdikhan20, Dave linc, and Kurt logann are now blocked as quacking socks of Amirshahat. GABgab 15:10, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
 * - Shaalabaz just made an edit - could you please check them, too? Thanks! GABgab 15:17, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
 * ❌ to my findings above. I think that "Then, suddenly, we get four similarly-incoherent keeps on the AfD from Mehdikhan20, Amirdaeii, and two other new editors..." describes the arrival of UPE help from the sock farm that I listed above as opposed to the COI more directly held to the article subject by what is listed as the master (client?).
 * After looking at his latest work though, it would seem that he is involved in UPE.


 * - Please merge this to Sockpuppet investigations/Amirshahat. Sir Sputnik (talk) 01:25, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Just an FYI, only clerks can do case merges. You may want to ping an administrator clerk because most people checking cases with this status will be unable to handle this. ~ Rob 13 <sup style="margin-left:-1.0ex;">Talk 13:55, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I know. With GAB and Berean Hunter already involved, I would have just left this case for them deal with, but Katie explicitly told me to tag it this way on my training page. Sir Sputnik (talk) 15:02, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
 * - CU Hold -- Amanda  (aka DQ) 05:45, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
 * May I perform the merge, or is this "on hold" status for some other reason?  Vanjagenije  (talk)  09:42, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Hold on the merge for now. It'll be another day at least before I can deal with this. -- Amanda  (aka DQ) 08:15, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
 * it's been a month. Still hold on the merge? Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 16:10, 18 November 2017 (UTC)


 * The socks have all been blocked as Amirshahat. We also have this duplicate SPI. Anything we ought to do here? GABgab 17:55, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
 * hasn't edited since October 31. I think you should dispose of this case however you think best.--Bbb23 (talk) 19:36, 30 November 2017 (UTC)


 * OK. I merged the case (Sockpuppet investigations/Shaalabaz) into this one. Since the alleged master is now inactive and all the socks have already been blocked, I'm going to close this. GABgab 19:51, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

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See here, here and here. SwisterTwister  talk  18:23, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

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 * I think we may merge this case into Sockpuppet investigations/Shaalabaz. Hhhhhkohhhhh (talk) 07:08, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

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 * - On hold for clerk training. Katietalk 21:22, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
 * - With two of these accounts seemingly registered for the purpose of !voting on Articles for deletion/Ezzeldin Tahoun, sockpuppetry seems likely. Please check these three against each other to confirm vote-stacking, and potentially also against, who also !voted on the relevant AfD and is already CU-blocked. Sir Sputnik (talk) 01:49, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
 * - ~ Rob 13 <sup style="margin-left:-1.0ex;">Talk 05:39, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I realized after running the check that this case is a duplicate of Sockpuppet investigations/Shaalabaz. Having said that, I'll give my results for training purposes. Dave linc and Kurt logann are . Mehdikhan20 is . ~ Rob 13 <sup style="margin-left:-1.0ex;">Talk 05:53, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Per GAB's comment at Sockpuppet investigations/Shaalabaz, these are all socks of Amirshahat. Please merge and archive this case to Sockpuppet investigations/Amirshahat/Archive. Sir Sputnik (talk) 18:25, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
 * - a CheckUser has requested to hold Shaalabaz, and so this should be held until that is resolved. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 16:13, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I believe Shaalabaz has been merged into Amirshahat and Amirshahat is now closed. Did this get lost in the shuffle?--Bbb23 (talk) 16:31, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Not lost in the shuffle per se, it just took a very long time to resolve the other case since the holding CU has been away for some time. If that hold is released then this one can be too; marking closed, and I will merge to Amirshahat in a few minutes. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 13:54, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

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The first AFD on Ibrahim Al-Haidos only had blocked undisclosed paid editors contribute, two of which were from this sockfarm:



These are all new/low edit count users who have !voted keep in the second AFD:

The pattern of Lifeisstudyinghard is similar to that of who is blocked but has not been CUd. SmartSE (talk) 09:38, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

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 * As I wrote at Ibrahim Al-Haidos, "deeply suspicious of User:Lifeisstudyinghard, a new account behaving oddly, very oddly, has made a series of slapdash iVotes at a random series of AfDs. and then this purposeful feeling edit." Thanks to User:Smartse for bringing it here.E.M.Gregory (talk) 10:15, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * - For confirmation and sleepers. Thanks, GABgab 15:07, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
 * CU results are, and a connection to Amirshahat is technically . This will need to be decided on behavioural evidence. Yunshui <sup style="font-size:90%">雲 <sub style="font-size:90%">水 10:45, 24 October 2017 (UTC)


 * - Given the !vote stacking surrounding the deletion of Ibrahim Al-Haidos, and the similarly tenuous grasp on the English language, I'd say these are new socks. Please block them indefinitely. Sir Sputnik (talk) 23:10, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Sir Sputnik - ✅.  ~Oshwah~  (talk) (contribs)   23:11, 26 October 2017 (UTC)


 * While I've got your attention, could I get you WP:G5 delete James Richard's creations as well? Tagging and closing. Sir Sputnik (talk) 23:15, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Sir Sputnik - ✅. Thanks for catching that :-)  ~Oshwah~  (talk) (contribs)   23:17, 26 October 2017 (UTC)