Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/AmritasyaPutra/Archive

Suspected sockpuppets



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 * 1) AmritasyaPutra created Sdmarathe's userpage.. Till now no one else has edited that userpage. Interesting when we consider these things:
 * 2) The date the two accounts were created are not too far apart either, both near last few months of 2008.
 * 3) What is even more interesting is that Sdmarathe's first edit was on 19 October 2014, even though his account was created 6 years earlier, around a similar time as AmritasyaPutra, and that first edit was near the date of AmritasyaPutra's second block on 13 October 2014, which lasted 72 hours.
 * 4) AmritasyaPutra's last activity was to strongly oppose nomination of for adminship.
 * 5) Just like the master, Sdmarathe also has strong feuds with Vanamonde93, to the extent there is a one-way interaction ban on him with Vanamonde93.
 * 6) Sdmarathe and AmritasyaPutra actually both were very strongly opposed at the nomination.
 * 7) The editing overlap is quite large. Truth be told, these two have the same POV everywhere they overlap. A few examples follow:
 * 8) Similar/identical edit summaries and POV on Godhra train burning
 * 9) Sdmarathe: exact statement in source " In fact, the total number of casualties was most certainly over 2,000 dead". 
 * 10) AmritasyaPutra: As per source,the source says: "In fact, the total number of casualties was most certainly over 2,000 dead." 
 * 11) Actually, these two were the only users edit warring in 2014 over that specific content.
 * 12) These two are on the same side in their dispute with
 * 13) They are the only two to agree with each other here.
 * 14) On Talk: Battle of Chawinda, both Sdmarathe and AmritasyaPuta refer to themselves as "we" and attempt to oust mention of Pakistani victory. Till now both had little input on the talk page, yet the "we" is quite confidently stated.

The editor interaction utility shows these two supporting each other whenever they cross over. What is most suspicious is that often these users are the only ones supporting each other in edit wars and content disputes. That can’t be a coincidence, particularly when the rest of their behaviour is so close. This is a clear case of WP:DUCK. Obaid Raza (talk) 04:35, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

Comments by other users
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 * OccultZone's socks have a complicated history of being found and unfound irregularly. There needs to be a behavioural evaluation. Especially with such strong evidence which is quite conclusive. Obaid Raza (talk) 13:26, 7 July 2018 (UTC)


 * having interacted with each of these named editors over the years, I would conclude that this SPI is senseless and retaliatory. If you want to check any account that recently edited then you may consider checking Ekvastra who was blocked by you as a sock of AmritasyaPutra. is also an active editor but he is unrelated to AmritasyaPutra (per Arbcom) and  (per CU). --RaviC (talk) 00:35, 9 July 2018 (UTC)


 * I have known extremely well, and  reasonably well. I don't see any possibility of them being the same person. Sure, they share the same POV. So do millions of other people. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 10:41, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
 * AmritasyaPutra was blocked by for his own sock puppetry as . OccultZone has nothing to do with that. AmritasyaPutra is not even tagged as a sock. AmritasyaPutra edited recently and I criticized his ways of requesting unblock and AmritasyaPutra ignored my comment. We are different people with different mentality. Obaid Raza the filer of this SPI is topic banned for his engaging in meat puppetry and filing bogus SPIs to clear opponents of someone else such as this very example. Please refer to the topic ban notice made by . The evidence you are being presented can be applicable for just about anyone who has made more than dozens of edits on these topics. Thank you! Sdmarathe (talk) 18:11, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
 * QEDK: I just felt it necessary to mention a few points that you may have missed. From what I have seen, CU is not a perfect tool and we see false positives all the time and that is why AmritasyaPutra was unblocked but then blocked for his own sock puppetry. Here is a diff of statement from the very much involved CheckUser and Arbitrator of the case, who further confirmed that AmritasyaPutra is an independent sockmaster. Rest I have already said. Thank you. Sdmarathe (talk) 18:45, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments
See Sockpuppet investigations/OccultZone/Archive where AmritasyaPutra was confirmed to OZ and Sdmarathe was found to be unrelated.--Bbb23 (talk) 12:51, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
 * AmritasyaPutra (AP) is connected to OccultZone (OZ) via CU, the rest is secondary, there is a reason a CU block is in effect. Sdmarathe being unrelated sometime ago also doesn't render them immune to another check (but does count as counter-evidence). I understand your justification but when you're countering hard evidence and technical details, you have to be more specific, simply knowing them doesn't help in establishing a need or its absence for CU.
 * With that, I have made the following conclusions:
 * Even if the SPI does seem retaliatory, we have no choice to assess the details as this is a filed case, that's how it works.
 * Previous evidence (only technical evidence) suggests Sdmarathe was unrelated. That counts as a counter-evidence but there is no reason to suggest it's not a different situation.
 * When AP was brought up in the SPI, DonateToWikipedia brought up the strongest defense possible for AP, in their own case, I guess that's a bit questionable.
 * There's POV overlap and then there's this. If anything, an SPI seems almost necessary at this level of interaction. But it can also suggest meatpuppetry.
 * And, with that, I believe there's enough evidence for a check at this stage. -- QEDK  ( 後  ☕  桜 ) 16:53, 29 August 2018 (UTC)


 * This should also be histmerged into OZ. -- QEDK ( 後  ☕  桜 ) 16:53, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
 * That's not how CU (or logic) works. When a link between two accounts are established, the older one is assigned master, so even if the newer sock account has a child sock account, it is considered a sock of the master, because, technically it's a proved point. Also, for your point regarding the overlap, the thing is not really, I have tons of overlap with people I might work at with same places but even then you wouldn't chart out as much as overlap as this. The CU makes the final call with regards to the CU anyway but I've said all I had to. I apologize if I've hurt sentiments but there's nothing personal here. -- QEDK ( 後  ☕  桜 ) 18:26, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I've put the case on hold. No merge should take place until further notice.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:34, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
 * My review was quicker than I thought it would be. AmritasyaPutra, OccultZone, and Sdmarathe are ❌ to each other. Closing with no further action.--Bbb23 (talk) 19:26, 29 August 2018 (UTC)