Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/AngelaVidal/Archive

08 November 2013

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He admits to it after being caught and feels bad for doing such. Jhenderson 7 7 7  21:41, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

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I don't want to accuse anyone else specifically, but because there are other participants in this discussion echoing DesignDeath's position, I would also like to know if there is any other possible sockpuppetry going on in this discussion. For additional background, at Talk:List of multimedia franchises, where User:DesignDeath has been pressing an opinion in a discussion, first new editor User:Teentox appears and supports the same opinion; then when Teentox is asked whether he is an alternate account, it is DesignDeath who responds, "Alternate account of who? I've been editing for a week now, am I not qualified to be involved in discussions yet? (Teentox has only been editing for a week, DesignDeath has been editing since 28 March 2013). DesignDeath then deletes the response just added, and within one minute [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:List_of_multimedia_franchises&diff=next&oldid=580805021 Teetox adds the similar response, "What does that mean? Are new accounts not qualified to be involved in discussions now?"] Both use the exact phrase, "not qualified to be involved in discussions". I would recommend blocks all around. Cheers! bd2412  T 22:37, 8 November 2013 (UTC)


 * I agree. User:AngelaVidal might need to be checked out too. I am trying to assume good faith and also be welcoming on him. Definitely with all the shame he has endured today...but that doesn't excuse that he might have done it in the past. Jhenderson  7 7 7  23:14, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Template to request CU added, per evidence presented here. -- Mdann 52   talk to me!  15:28, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

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 * Teentox tagged and blocked indef. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:23, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Can you explain why you think AngelaVidal is a sockpuppet? Mark Arsten (talk) 02:24, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I can answer that from my perspective. AngelaVidal basically stopped editing on 7 May 2013, and then rather abruptly returned on 26 October 2013, and almost immediately began participating in the same ongoing discussion as DesignDeath, taking roughly the same position as DesignDeath, with the same dismissive tone (DesignDeath says "Your opinion and considerations in this case are not really relevant"; AngelaVidal says "Congregating two individualized brands that are related in succession seems rather pointless and a very "fanboy-ish" thing to do. You can't really justify this by listing any other examples either"; DesignDeath challenges the "definition" at issue, saying "You also might wanna work on your definition of a media franchise but we'll get to that eventually..."; AngelaVidal says "On another note, please give me a source that supports your definition of a franchise because the ones cited are practically incoherent and to me it seems that you're either making up or adding your opinions to these definitions yourself"). Given DesignDeath's creation of Teentox shortly after Dream Focus and WPGA2345 came out against his position, it seems suspiciously convenient that AngelaVidal appeared on the scene shortly after Elizium23 came out against DesignDeath's position. I would also note that all three accounts have since stopped editing (AngelaVidal having stopped on November 8th, except for a single page move on November 10th). bd2412  T 03:09, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I think this might be enough to justify a checkuser. Mark Arsten (talk) 04:19, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry I haven't been on the internet for a while but Bd2412 explained my reasonings exactly. Sorry about not thinking about explaining that. Jhenderson  7 7 7  23:24, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Delving more deeply into their edit histories, there are a number of other suspicious parallels. For example, each of them has edited multiple pages related to specific media franchises. Each of them has edited the articles, Ju-on (franchise), Ju-on: The Curse 2, Ju-on: The Grudge, Ju-on: The Grudge 2, and Ju-on: White Ghost / Black Ghost, as well as The Grudge, The Grudge 2, The Grudge 3, The Grudge (film series), and List of The Grudge characters; each of them has edited the articles, One Missed Call (2003 film), One Missed Call (2008 film), and One Missed Call: Final; and each of them has edited the articles Silent Hill, Silent Hill: Book of Memories, and Silent Hill: Shattered Memories. Other than page moves, the only edits that AngelaVidal has ever made in any talk space are in support of DesignDeath's position in this dispute. In article space, roughly 2/3 of articles edited by AngelaVidal have also been edited by DesignDeath.  bd2412  T 02:41, 19 November 2013 (UTC)


 * ,, and are all ✅ as  (the oldest of the accounts).--Jezebel's Ponyo bons mots  19:25, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I've moved this and updated the list of socks per the discovery that AngelaVidal is the master. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:30, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Master and socks all blocked indef per CU findings. Closing now. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:37, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

31 December 2013

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User Amatue was created hours after AngelaVidal, DesignDeath and other socks were blocked. Amatues first edits were to create a small user page and talk page, similar to AngelaVidal and DesignDeath and other previous socks. Amatue then went on to make edits to the same articles (The Amityville Horror (film series), The Grudge, Silent Hill: Book of Memories, Silent Hill, REC 2 etc.) that DesignDeath and other socks have edited. The edits are often similar in nature, insisting on using franchise instead ofseries and changing the numbering of films.

Amatue then made edit which I partially undid due to original research claiming the series was in the public domain. Nine days later HÊÚL. made the same claim, and his few recent edits have been to Children of the Corn (film series) and , a series also of interest to to DesignDeath and socks.

The accounts are being abused by circumventing previous sock blocks, and using more than one account to add poorly sourced infomation to an article. Martin 4 5 1  00:57, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

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— Berean Hunter   (talk)  17:53, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Amatue is ✅. HÊÚL. is ❌. ​—DoRD (talk)​ 16:56, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Indeffing and tagging Amatue and closing.