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31 August 2015

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I initially wasn't going to open up an SPI for this, but a little digging brought up a lot of accounts trying to add information about the same person: Davide Anselmi. Unfortunately only a few of these accounts have had recent activity, so much of this will be based on behaviors.

The earliest account appears to be Anselmidavide9981. He initially created the article Davide Anselmi in January 2014 and that seems to have been his only activity. A year later (almost exactly) Mike Morse signed up and tried to re-create the article as well as Overture (Davide Anselmi). After both of these were deleted, he also stopped editing.

Now the two of these would not raise suspicion and they didn't as far as I can see. The article versions were relatively different. The only thing that would raise an eyebrow is that this performer is apparently a non-entity in the music world and was charitably called a "one man garage band" at AfD last year. A search didn't really bring up anything for this performer, despite claims that he'd released albums through some major labels. (Majesty Label Records, Roadrunner Records, WaterTower Music,Atlantic Records)

However what drew my attention to this (and the attention of User:Davidwr) was the recent attempt to create an article for a film he's supposedly creating, Towards the Tower, a short film about 9/11. Zanuckdepp tried to create the article at Toward The Tower ( Film ) on August 28, 2015. On the same day Timothyspall tried to create the article at Toward the Tower ( Film 2019 ). Timothyspall also attempted to edit Zanuckdepp's article as well, so there's a clear link between the two accounts there.

What caught my eye and caused me to close the AfD early was that there were some pretty major claims made in the Toward the Tower ( Film 2019 ) article. Not only did it claim that major names were involved with the film (Stephen Sondheim - who would be doing cinematography, Timothy Spall and Sacha Baron Cohen) but it also claimed that the film was already at least partially finished (in that it was already filmed). It also claimed that Atlantic Records would be editing the film. I also need to note that on the talk page there was an attempt to contest the deletion by someone claiming to be the director for Atlantic Records, stating "This page is The OFFICIAL PAGE of The film " Toward The Tower " plesso don't delete it because is very important..please Kind Regard Director of Atlantic Entertainment".

Around the same time Petereteph tried to recreate the article for Anselmi at Anselmi Davide and an article for one of his albums at Empty Empathy ( Davide Anselmi ). In the article he claims that Anselmi has collaborated with some major names such as Hans Zimmer (for Product Red).

Here's how I think that all of this is linked:

From what I can see, none of the claims for this musician are true. I tried to google Anselmi and Zimmer's names and found absolutely nothing official. There were a few junk hits and people trying to start up rumors that this was a thing, but nothing that would substantiate that they actually worked together. An "Official VEVO video of Soundtrack created with Hans Zimmer for Product Red" would result in at least a primary source if this was legit and there's nothing out there, which is incredibly hard to believe when you figure that VEVO will create and maintain dead official accounts on YouTube for various performers. For them not to cover something made by Zimmer for a major campaign? Impossible. I also need to note that the page that Moss created (Overture (Davide Anselmi) ) claims that the album was released for sale through all the major outlets, Amazon, iTunes, and so on. It also linked to a video, which has since been removed.

Basically what I believe links these accounts together behavioral-wise is that they've all tried to come on to Wikipedia and create articles that claim some incredibly large, noteworthy things. Yet there is pretty much zero coverage for this person on the Internet. Even if he was someone that only performed in countries that do not speak English, there'd be some coverage for him out there, even if it was in foreign language sources - and there'd most certainly be at least something in English, even if only sites to purchase his work.

So what I have here are two recently active accounts and a few stale accounts. I believe that they're all linked, but I'd like someone else to look at this and confirm it as sockpuppetry. I can hand out some "not here" blocks because the claims are all so obviously hoaxes that they're easily disproved, but I'd like to have the socking confirmed by a second person just so we can have a record of all of these accounts. Some of the editing styles are different, but I think that this is very likely to be one person considering that none of the claims here appear to be true and for all purposes it looks like there is no Davide Anselmi - at least one that has accomplished all of the claims made in the various articles. There likely is a person by that name, but I get the impression that he's likely someone trying to gain himself a name by making outlandish claims on the Internet, akin to Gretel Ashzinger, who tried to use Wikipedia to bolster claims that she was going to be She Hulk. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  15:37, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

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 * Post-completion/prior-to-close 3rd-party comments:  and I discussed this matter here prior to her opening this SPI.  I recommended an SPI to preserve evidence in the hopes that if this person comes back several months from now the evidence will be available instead of being stale.  This will facilitate speedy-deletions under WP:CSD should the need arise.  Also, there is an IP address (which of course you can neither confirm nor deny is related to these named accounts) mentioned in Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Toward the Tower ( Film 2019 ).  If this IP's activities haven't already been looked at, I recommend doing so. Of course, I will never know if you look at them or not. davidwr/  (talk)/(contribs)  00:19, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Another late comment: At least one of the editors has edited on the Commons.  Some have accounts created on the same non-English-language Wikipedia.  Consider giving administrators of the Commons at that Wikipedia a heads-up.  davidwr/  (talk)/(contribs)  00:21, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm glad to see that a checkuser was done here - I wasn't sure if we could do that with an SPI with so many stale accounts. I'd have checked back in a bit earlier, but I had a bit of a tummy bug. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  03:14, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

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 * - to compare Petereteph with Timothyspall and Zanuckdepp and to look for sleepers.  Vanjagenije  (talk)  20:13, 31 August 2015 (UTC)



— Berean Hunter   (talk)  23:08, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
 * No additional accounts at this time. Of course, any connection to the other accounts will have to be based upon behavior. Mike V • Talk 22:56, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Admin action needed - Please, indef Petereteph, Anselmidavide9981 and Mike Morse. They are obviously the same (creating Davide anselmi, Anselmi Davide (Drummer) and Anselmi Davide).  Vanjagenije  (talk)  21:55, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Indeffing accounts and closing.

03 April 2016

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With the return of the Davide Anselmi ( Musician ) article it looks like they are back again. Wgolf (talk) 20:09, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

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 * . Blocked and tagged.  Vanjagenije  (talk)  22:55, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

15 May 2016

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 * Editing at : Special:Diff/720332551/720333139 and Special:Diff/720338789/720339110
 * AnnaQuindlen's user page vs Tedjensen's user page
 * —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 07:31, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Special:Diff/720327650/720340083 is relevant. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 07:43, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Special:Diff/720340781 and Special:Diff/720340686 also —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 07:48, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

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 * ✅ to each other: AnnaQuindlen, Tedjensen, DavideAnsemiCopyright and Larsen1990. Larsen1990 was blocked per duck test as a sock of Anselmidavide9981, thus this page might need merging into Sockpuppet investigations/Anselmidavide9981. (I have no old CU data on Anselmidavide9981 and their socks). Materialscientist (talk) 08:28, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
 * ✅. Merged and closed.  Vanjagenije  (talk)  13:01, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

16 May 2016

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Recreation of an article on Davide Anselmi at Davide Anselmi ( Composer ). Blocked per the duck test. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 13:41, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

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 * Closing. Mike V • Talk 14:11, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

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The master is stale, so this will have to be done on behavioral evidence. Long story short, last year this guy signed up and created some articles where he made some pretty outlandish claims, the most amusing of which concerned the article Toward the Tower ( Film 2019 ), where he tried to claim that Stephen Sondheim was working the cinematography and that it starred Timothy Spall, Sacha Baron Cohen, and Colleen Atwood. Needless to say, it was obvious at the time that this wasn't happening because all of those people are well known enough (especially Sondeheim!) to where there would be coverage in RS that confirmed the film.

There were also grandiose claims in his article as well. There was also the fun fact that their attempt to create Davide Anselmi ( Composer ) earlier this year contained a thinly veiled legal threat. Yeah. Any case, this article is in keeping with the easily disproven claims, as in this article he tries to claim that he worked on Maze Runner, which isn't backed up by any sources that weren't written (or could be easily edited) by Anselmi.

How this account plays into things is that they tried to create a new article, at Davide Anselmi (composer). It's a very obvious WP:DUCK. If there's a way to check for any other accounts, that'd be fantastic. I just don't know if there's anything that isn't stale, given that the last SPI was in May. I'm also going to try to see if I can get a title blacklist on this guy, since the socks are getting slightly creative with how the names are written. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  05:16, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

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 * Already blocked. Case closed.  Vanjagenije  (talk)  12:02, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

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Fairly Ducky, see Davide Anselmi (musician). I'm flagging for CU only because the last socks are getting stale. If this is not needed then feel free to ignore and close. Crow Caw  00:55, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

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 * Blocked and tagged. No need for CU. Closing.  Vanjagenije  (talk)  11:14, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

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WP:DUCK – Train2104 (t • c) 20:48, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

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 * - Please compare to, who also created the same page. Thanks, GABgab 00:05, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
 * The two accounts are ✅ to each other. However, they are not on ranges previously checked for Anselmidavide9981 socks. Both blocked without tags. Katietalk 11:01, 17 July 2017 (UTC)  Katietalk 11:01, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Tagged and closing. If you compare Alberto.Orazio.900's page to 's creation of Davide Anselmi (musician), you'll see the similarity. GABgab 00:37, 18 July 2017 (UTC)