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08 December 2012

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Apostle12's recent spate of activity at White privilege started with insertion of mitigating language into the lede paragraph (,, , others). On Nov 22, after some discussion regarding possible violations of WP:CAN (,, , discussion beginning here), Apostle12 voluntarily stated that they would not be contributing additional edits to the article.

However, Apostle12 has maintained a presence on Talk:White privilege, and been involved with a good deal of discussion there.

On Dec 8 (UTC), after some comments by Apostle12 on Talk:White privilege, a new editor, Questionentity appeared, first at Talk:White privilege, espousing a POV consistent with Apostle12. Questionentity made several edits using the talk page as a forum for discussion of the article's subject rather than for discussion of improvements to the article, and then made edits to the lede paragraph of White privilege that stylistically appear similar to those made by Apostle12 around November 2. Specifically, they introduce mitigating language to the lede that seems intended to cast doubt on the legitimacy of the concept. A subsequent edit suggests that Questionentity has some knowledge of WP policy and practice, specifically templates and WP:NPOV.

Because Apostle12 is an active editor on a number of other pages, and appears to have made no edits since shortly before Questionentity's first edits appeared, it seems reasonable to be suspicious of a new editor with a remarkably similar POV, similar rhetorical style, and a similar target (the lede paragraph of White privilege) especially since Apostle12 has previously stated they would not be making edits to the article. If they are indeed the same user, given Apostle12's history of policy violations, and to be perfectly frank, disruptive editing, CheckUser could verify whether an additional WP:SOCK violation has occurred. UseTheCommandLine (talk) 06:21, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

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I do not believe in these kinds of coincidences, if it smells bad, it is bad. If not a direct ip of the Apostle then it looks like some extra-Wikipedia collusion, which is pretty easy to do, I call up my mate and get them involved. W.P. is not a high traffic page, and the fringe issues being pushed make it all the more suspect. --Inayity (talk) 12:13, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

I have nothing in common with user Apostle 12, don't know him from either real life or internet one. --Questionentity (talk) 12:46, 8 December 2012 (UTC) I went through some Apostle 12 comments, I think any check will confirm that we are from two different continents as he seems to be living in USA.--Questionentity (talk) 13:28, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * - I think there's enough here to warrant CheckUser input, though given Apostle12's apparent indifference to being checked I'm not sure how much information it will provide Basa lisk  inspect damage⁄berate 14:02, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Technically speaking, the two named users are ❌. Salvio  Let's talk about it! 14:50, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Some times a cigar is just a cigar. Closing. Dennis Brown -  2&cent;    &copy;   Join WER 15:08, 8 December 2012 (UTC)