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Not sure if we have sockpuppets or meatpuppets here, but apparently a discussion moved to wikipedia from some off-wiki location and blew up here. Arabhorseguy made multiple edits attempting to insert a WP:FRINGE theory on an obscure pedigree question involving one of the most influential sire in the Arabian breed, Skowronek (horse). Another new user, ArabHorseResearch, disputed these edits, and both began to edit-war. We might have anywhere from two to eight separate people editing, as there are multiple IPs mixed up here and two more new accounts editing just on the talkpage. Not sure if we have sockpuppets or meatpuppets, and at this point, it's such a mess that I can't even sort out who is on which side. At any rate, too many suddenly new accounts on a narrow topic: To wit:, , , , , , and further edit-warring shown here:  and tl;dr discussion. Montanabw (talk) 19:42, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

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❌.--Bbb23 (talk) 20:21, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
 * There is no technical connection, and behaviorally looking, those accounts are obviously editing against each other. I;m closing this with no action.  Vanjagenije  (talk)  23:31, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

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Blocked for "clear sockpuppetry". If so, shouldn't there be another account blocked along with it? I can guess who it is but maybe there's some reason I'm unaware of this wasn't done? Maybe or  know. ☆ Bri (talk) 19:30, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
 * So we have an account harassing Montana who is also getting IRL harassment stemming from her Wikipedia activities. I think that we should take these sorts of things very seriously. I know this is not great evidence but feel that I'm willing to go out on a limb on this one. Obviously the bogus mediation request from a brand new editor (Requests for mediation/Skwornek (horse) - no diff, sorry, has been deleted) leads one to the last one having a dispute over the same article . ☆ Bri (talk) 20:23, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
 * (post CU) I requested oversight on a new threat to Montanabw (posted at Teahouse) from one of the uncovered socks. It was oversighted a few minutes ago. ☆ Bri (talk) 21:35, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

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 * I had some fairly strong suspicions, but nothing I felt comfortable acting on beyond blocking this account. The very first edit being a barnstar for reverting MontanaBW was a big red flag for me, though. -- SarekOfVulcan (talk) 19:39, 20 February 2018 (UTC)


 * , I think one reason is that very few of us have access to the tools to find out about what other accounts there are in the BigSkyMan family. I guess you could refer this for investigation if you think it's worth doing? Moonraker (talk) 20:12, 20 February 2018 (UTC)


 * I looked for behavioral evidence too and couldn't find it. I'm really not sure this is an Arabhorseguy sock. (Arabhorseguy would be the master, no? The SPI master/sock is backwards here I think.) Considering the off-project discussions that have been referred to, this may just be MEAT. But it's likely one of the two. Anyhow, there's no where near enough for a CU, in my opinion. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 21:52, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I think this is the ItsLassieTime sock. The trips to ANI and other things like it are consistent with their pattern.   Montanabw (talk) 23:05, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

So this accusation by Montanabw is baseless. She's upset I caught her fraudulently citing sources for information that does not exist. It seems she is more interested in clever "legal" manoeuvres to try to scare people off than actually creating content that is well supported. Arabhorseguy (talk) 02:12, 21 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Sigh... there was no "fraud," just ad hominem attacks, hence this issue.  Montanabw (talk) 22:04, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

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Please move to Sockpuppet investigations/Arabhorseguy.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:12, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅.  Vanjagenije  (talk)  08:39, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
 * BigSkyMan is ❌ to Arabhorseguy. However, the account is ✅ to
 * Blocked the unblocked accounts and tagged all. Please create a new case with HorseGuy83 as the master. It's a zero-edit account but it will avoid the problem of recreating the SPI for BigSkyMan (now a redirect), which was just merged with this one at my request (sigh). If a clerk has a better idea, fine.--Bbb23 (talk) 21:08, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅. GABgab 21:30, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Blocked the unblocked accounts and tagged all. Please create a new case with HorseGuy83 as the master. It's a zero-edit account but it will avoid the problem of recreating the SPI for BigSkyMan (now a redirect), which was just merged with this one at my request (sigh). If a clerk has a better idea, fine.--Bbb23 (talk) 21:08, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅. GABgab 21:30, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅. GABgab 21:30, 21 February 2018 (UTC)