Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Ararat arev/Archive

Evidence submitted by Dougweller
Similar edits. IP started editing again after Forsts23 was topic-banned from subject, although in fact Forsts23 has ignored the topic ban and continues to edit on banned subjects. It has also been suggested that the IP is a sock of thus the need for a CU. Dougweller (talk) 06:44, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

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So it has been suggested that User:Forsts23 and User:Ararat arev are the same person? wiooiw (talk) 06:50, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

It looks like the 76.* IP got hit by Forsts23's autoblock when Heim booked him for the topic ban evasion, so the identity seems pretty obvious (but CU would probably decline to comment on it anyway). Since the 76 has been quiet since the block on the account, and hasn't as far as I can see done anything much to conceal its identity with Forsts, it also doesn't constitute a separate case of sockpuppetry, I'd say. No need for immediate action beyond the existing block? Fut.Perf. ☼ 07:52, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

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checkuser will not be able to comment on any links between IP/s and accounts. and any associated socks are now. Per the above discussion, it's fairly clear that is  (note that the IP wasn't used to evade the block on Forsts23, and although it was used to violate a topic ban, a 24hour block has already been issued for that). Therefore the issue of any sockpuppetry by Forsts23 with 76.246.26.22 is cleared up for now. However, whether or not Forsts23 and his IP are connected to Ararat arev is another matter. 76.246.26.22's WHOIS data shows that it's an AT&T Internet Services IP, which matches Ararat arev's IP socks, that alone is of course not conclusive, as such this case will need to be decided based on the behavioural evidence. Such evidence is naturally hard to draw up, considering that much of this is ~2 years old, however, Forsts23 does seem to be continuing Ararat arev's long standing interest in the articles Urartu, Nairi, Armenia and Mitanni (see Long-term abuse/Ararat arev), and they are being fairly disruptive with it. This is probably worth an admin looking into further and deciding whether it's necessary to impose any further sanctions. Regards, SpitfireTally-ho! 11:57, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
 * the Ararat arev socks have never quite gone stale. See Long-term abuse/Ararat arev, where any new sightings should be made note of. This guy has been trying to come back every couple of months at least over the past years. Any IP that is trolling the Armenian-antiquity related articles and that matches historic Ararat arev socks is good enough for me to call WP:DUCK. --dab (𒁳) 12:25, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I should have clarified; by "stale", I meant that the CU data on them was no longer available, as it's expired. I agree that this looks fairly obvious, but I was interested in getting an opinion from someone more familiar with the user since a lot of the evidence is hard to dig up, clearly you've now provided such an opinion. Did you plan to leave any administration up to different admin? (no worries if you did, since you seem to be somewhat involved with the situation *shrug*) Kindest regards, SpitfireTally-ho! 12:51, 15 August 2010 (UTC)


 * So, we are really saying that Forsts23 may be a sock himself, right? Which would explain his behaviour, including probably his ignoring the sanctions warning and the actual ban. Ararat arev would just shrug and create another sock. Dougweller (talk) 13:57, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I only now noticed some of the details here. The image was one that Ararat arev once uploaded, and the fact that Forsts now remembers specific admin actions about this image from three years ago clearly points to him being Ararat arev. Comparing the two accounts a bit further, and taking into account that the IP ranges fit, I call DUCK too. Blocked indef now. Sorry I didn't make the connection earlier, but my memory of A.a. wasn't so fresh. Can a clerk perhaps merge this report into the A.a. file? Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:55, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

I agree with all of the above. Yes, I would like to leave it to another admin to press the buttons. I am not prepared to swear on my positive conviction that Forsts23 is Aa. But fortunately this isn't necessary. Forsts23 is clearly a disruptive user, and can be considered WP:DUCK-equivalent with Aa, so I support the ban. --dab (𒁳) 10:58, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

25 April 2011

 * Suspected sockpuppets



Merged by -- DQ  (t)   (e)


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User:Aryamahasattva exhibits the same field of interests (ancient Armenian history, in particular the connection with the Hurrians and Urartu) as banned User:Ararat arev did (more details about this prolific sockpuppeteer can be found in Long-term abuse/Ararat arev). In the article Urartian language (history), User:Aryamahasattva clearly continued the edit war and reinstated edits that had previously been made by a user with a changeable IP hailing from the Los Angeles area (see, also , ), using the same peculiar argument (that the title of the article is present in the category page - failing to realize that its appearance there is the result of his edit). Now, this same range of IP addresses from LA (e.g., , , ) has previously been identified as sock puppets of User:Ararat arev, resulting in his final and indefinite ban. Since Aryamahasattva is identical to the Los Angeles IPs, and the Los Angeles IP is identical to Ararat arev, Aryamahasattva must be a reincarnation of Ararat arev. Anonymous44 (talk) 19:03, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Since I posted this, I have also noticed that both Ararat arev and Aryamahasattva seem to be pushing the highly unusual idea that the Hurro-Urartian languages were actually Indo-European, "Aryan" and, most importantly, somehow a form of Armenian. Ararat arev wrote an entire article entitled "Hurrian-Aryan" to the effect that "Hurrians were an Armenian tribe". Aryamahasattva has now started to sneak in the claim that "Urartian ... was an early form of Armenian", besides reverting to a categorization of Urartian as one of the "Armenian languages". Note also Aryamahasattva's username, which itself suggests Ararat arev's identification of "Aryan" with "Armenian". --Anonymous44 (talk) 00:54, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Compare this and this, with this deletion, and this deletion, this deletion and this deletion. Even if Phoenicians8 cannot be proven to be a part of this, the two IPs are identical in their edits. Taivo (talk) 06:57, 24 April 2011 (UTC) Moved by -- DQ  (t)   (e)  from Sockpuppet investigations/Phoenicians8.

This Archived Aryamahasattva SPI might be relevant. I suggest IPs would be merged, since matching the same geographical region and behavioral pattern per WP:DUCK.
 * See Sockpuppet_investigations/Ararat_arev/Archive
 * See Long-term abuse/Ararat arev and it appears 76.237.11.236 already reported in Long-term abuse list matches new instances of disruption from 76.237.11.*

No comment on User:Phoenicians8. AgadaUrbanit (talk) 07:36, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

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 * From merged case, behavoir says =  =  = . Requesting 3RR/3RR Evade by socking blocks of a few users per edit war at Armenian language. Haven't looked into anyone or anything else myself. --  DQ  (t)   (e)  01:44, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Per DQ's comment I've blocked Phoenicians8. The two IPs haven't been used in 4+ days, and this whole things seems to have quieted down after a bunch of articles were protected. Closing for now, but relist if things happen. —  Hello Annyong  (say whaaat?!) 02:32, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry to edit the archive, but I'm updating to say that I blocked Aryamahasattva indefinitely. —  Hello Annyong  (say whaaat?!) 01:06, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

25 August 2012

 * Suspected sockpuppets




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Identical edits obsessively piping Urartu as Ararat: 75.51.171.92 diff, 166.216.226.92 diff and 166.216.226.95 diff, 166.216.226.177 diff. (a) the edit (piping Urartu as Ararat) and (b) initial IP (75.51.171.92) geographical location (LA) and ISP (AT&T) both match Long-term abuse/Ararat arev. IPs 166.216.226.*, which joined the celebration, thank you iPhone, are marked Services:	Confirmed proxy server and appear to be an AT&T proxy for smart phones/wireless data. See also this. The obsessive urge to pipe is not new, see for instance User talk:75.51.165.161 and 75.51.165.161 diff1 & 75.51.165.161 diff2.

IP (75.51.171.92) address comes from the same area as the IP addresses listed in the block log - the Los Angeles area - and his field of interests (Armenian nationalist issues) is the same. AgadaUrbanit (talk) 13:58, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Summary

A bit more subtle piping (diff), from the same IP range as the semi-protection of the page expires. AgadaUrbanit (talk) 12:26, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
 * September 3 (closing)

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 * I see the connection between these accounts, but the IPs are stale by several days, and have probably been re-assigned. Marking for closure in the absence of ongoing disruption from active addresses. AGK  [•] 10:12, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I hardblocked 75.51.174.46 for a short time, and softblocked the range 75.51.0.0/16 for 1 week. Due to the collateral on that range, I cannot block it for longer at this stage, but perhaps the 1-week hiatus will dissuade this person's disruptive tendencies. AGK  [•] 18:07, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

24 January 2015

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Usual stuff like treating Osiris, Orion, and Ra as a sort of trinity, ignoring all other users. See WP:ARARAT. Ian.thomson (talk) 20:01, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

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WHOIS confirms this is a public wifi. VegasCasinoKid (talk) 00:10, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

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 * I've blocked the IP for a week, lets see if that will last. Also, the WHOIS doesn't appear to show that this is a public IP. It looks to be a residential assignment. Mike V • Talk 19:45, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

09 May 2015

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Persistently and simultaneously vandalize articles related to Egyptian mythology and astrology.  Dwpaul  Talk   22:17, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

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 * - CU is of no use here. The IPs are on different networks, all different from the most recent IP in the archive, and there wouldn't be any CU data to compare with, anyway. The 64.134.x IP is a dynamic public WiFi network, so there's no point in blocking it, and the other two are already taken care of. Closing. ​—DoRD (talk)​ 14:53, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

24 May 2015

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WP:DUCK Geolocation matches location given in LTA case and contributions match the user's behavior. Based on this being a static IP and seemingly being accessible by the user since January of this year, I recommend a block of several months. P HANTOM T ECH  (talk) 02:17, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

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 * Yes, indeed. Blocked. Closing. Favonian (talk) 20:33, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

22 November 2015

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Persistently vandalizes articles related to Egyptian mythology. WP:DUCK  General Ization  Talk   04:56, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

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 * The IPs are already blocked. Closing. Bbb23 (talk) 11:44, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

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Unsourced edits to Ptah to link Imhotep  and Joseph. Reverts previous reversions to other Egyptology-related articles.  General Ization  Talk   00:08, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

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 * All blocked; closing. Favonian (talk) 11:40, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

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"Osiris-Orion son of Ra (Christ the Logos)" or variants of it have been Ararat's signature phrase for years now. After a recent spurt of his activity, most of the pages related to Osiris and Ra have been semiprotected. Now Ramhorbronc adds the same phrase to a protected page:. A. Parrot (talk) 08:44, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

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''Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.'' Wow, what impressive deduction! Of course you are wrong. Ramhorbronc (talk) 09:35, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

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 * Account now blocked. Closing. Bbb23 (talk) 16:39, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

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WP:DUCK.  General Ization Talk  04:55, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

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 * The IP has already been blocked for 3 days. Mz7 (talk) 06:00, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
See Long-term abuse/Ararat arev. Doubt CheckUser will do much, think a behavioral investigation (is that whats it called? forgot its name) might be better. Anyways;


 * 1) According to Google Translate, the name Թուրքերի մաման քունեմ translates to "Mother of the Turks sleep", probably meant as an insult to Turks. Doubt a new user would come with such a unserious name, socks typically tend to have these type of names, knowing they will probably get blocked again soon and thus trying to make a cheap shot.
 * 2) Ever since appearing on 1 December, all the user has done is edit warring, similar to the LTA. In fact, the now blocked IP of the LTA and Թուրքերի մաման քունեմ reverted together at Battle of Artaxata in their efforts to pov push  HistoryofIran (talk) 00:27, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

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 * This account is already indeffinetely blocked. Closing.  Vanjagenije  (talk)  00:58, 20 December 2023 (UTC)