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I believe formerly blocked users Horope and Noelcubit are sock accounts of user Archives908. The interests of the three accounts are the same. The edit summaries are similar. The edit history of "Westernization" confirms the users made similar edits. ‎All three accounts have been/are seemingly infatuated on the "Westerniation" article and the edit summaries of all three use the same type of lingo/grammar/style, as seen here: Ironically, both Archives908 and Noelcubit had attempted to tarnish my reputation by falsely accusing me of being a sock account of someone called "Vyaiskaya". However, their accusations were rebutted by the SPI clerks twice, as seen here: Cyanmax (talk) 12:40, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

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 * Admins, I have nothing in common with those accounts. I have been around since 2018 and I primarily focus on articles related to Armenia. In terms of Westernization, I completely agreed with the other editors because I truly felt Cyanmax was the one vandalizing the article by removing sourced content and adding unsourced material, while constantly breaking WP:3RR. It is unfair for Cyanmax to lump me in with socks just because I was genuinely trying to protect the article. Cynmax, what you may not realize is that editors can have the same opinion with others, and just because you don't agree, it doesn't mean everyone else is a sock. Today, you began removing other users comments from Talk:Westernization, which per WP:TALKO is not allowed. In particular, you removed a section where user Airplaneman warns you about your editing tactics. Your edits are generally disruptive and just because I revert something you did, it does not mean I am a sock. It means, that I will not stand for vandalism. Archives908 (talk) 12:32, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Bbb23, I would like to also address some of your concerns below. As I have poor vision, I cannot edit from a cellular device and prefer to use bigger screens. I recently (May 23) started to "blank" my talk page because I have created 57 articles in English Wikipedia and my talk page was getting too cluttered. Was I not allowed to remove stale notices? You will see for the longest time I had kept my talk page full. Archives908 (talk) 12:41, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Let's also clarify the bold claims left by Cynmax above- I primarily focus on articles related to Armenia, in particular, Armenian political parties. I have created between 40-45 articles on English Wikipedia on Armenian political parties. I couldn't even tell you what the other two accounts are "interested in", and I doubt Cyanmax knows either. I believe this to be a targeted response because I am the only other editor trying to maintain a degree of stability on Westernization. I have been an active editor since November 2018 and try to make as many WP:GF contributions as I can. Archives908 (talk) 13:18, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
 * In terms of Westernization- the only interest I have with this article is the section of "Countries significantly influenced by Westernization", you can see the first country listed is Armenia. Why, because I worked diligently to create that information back on 24 September 2020. That was my involvement in the article. Other then that, I keep an eye open for potential vandalism on several articles and if I see something peculiar, I will address it. Just like I have been doing at List of Asian countries by area. And that is what happened here. Cyanmax was removing sourced content and adding things that didn't quite make sense. I'm not a sock because of my actions, I'm an editor who hates vandalism. Archives908 (talk) 13:18, 6 August 2021 (UTC)



"Cyanmax was the one vandalizing the article by removing sourced content and adding unsourced material"

This is an extremely serious accusation. Can you elaborate on that?

It is true that I removed unsourced content added by sock accounts Horope and Noelcubit. It means, that I will not stand for vandalism. Any material lacking an inline citation to a reliable source that directly supports the material may be removed and should not be restored without an inline citation to a reliable source. By citing sources for Wikipedia content, you enable users to verify that the information given is supported by reliable sources, thus improving the credibility of Wikipedia. If you can provide a reliable source for the claim, then please add it!

But I did not add ANY unsourced material, and anyone can check that.

Ironically, it was you who falsely accused me of being a sock account of someone called "Vyaiskaya". However, your accusations were rebutted by the SPI clerks twice, as seen here: Just because I revert edits by sock accounts Horope and Noelcubit, it does not mean I am a sock.

You don't have to try to change the subject. An SPI clerk will shortly look at the case and endorse or decline the request. If you are clean, that's fine. But don't try to justify sock accounts Horope and Noelcubit.
 * I'm not justifying the socks at all! I'm glad they got caught and have been rightfully blocked. I was actually looking through both of their edit histories just now and they seemed to have plenty of edits in common to warrant their blocks. However, they focused mostly on Mosques, Islam, Russia, Russian culture, "white people", Vladimir Putin, etc.. These are articles I have never read or edited before. As stated above, I focus on mostly Armenian related articles. From what I can see, the socks do not share that interest. That is why I strongly feel this accusation was done solely because you don't appreciate me maintaining stability on Westernization. Which is very hurtful to say the least. Archives908 (talk) 13:29, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
 * If you're talking about I'm not seeing how this source supports the statement. Source does not mention Armenia whatsoever. That's why I removed the statement. Any material lacking an inline citation to a reliable source that directly supports the material may be removed and should not be restored without an inline citation to a reliable source. By citing sources for Wikipedia content, you enable users to verify that the information given is supported by reliable sources, thus improving the credibility of Wikipedia. If you can provide a reliable source for the claim, then please add it!
 * As I tried to explain to you on the talk page, there was already a consensus to keep that information. User:QeeGeeBee and I (after a very lengthy debate) came to a consensus on 9th December 2020 (check their talk page). I tried to tell you that already but I guess you didn't want to hear it and you proceeded with your disruptive editing.Archives908 (talk) 13:53, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
 * But, I'm glad you brought that up because it does prove my innocents. I never wanted to edit or remove that section because of the consensus. On the contrary, the socks you uncovered did try to alter the wordings. Which proves that I do not have the same "motives" to either of the socks. As for your edits- I was just trying to maintain the status quo, based on the consensus I reached in 2020 with another user. Hope you can finally see that now. Archives908 (talk) 13:58, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
 * You don't have to try to change the subject. Just because I revert edits by sock accounts Horope and Noelcubit, it does not mean it's disruptive editing. Anyway, I really hope you are not a sock.
 * Stop accusing me of changing the subject... I'm only talking about the subject. The socks made a whole bunch of mass edits. I've never made any edits on Westernization, other then where Armenia was mentioned. I have little interest in this subject to begin with. All I've done was try to maintain the status quo while you and the socks went back and forth being disruptive. The Admins will see that. Archives908 (talk) 14:09, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I guess none of my statements here have been read by the Admins. Very sad to see innocent editors get accused of being a sock after editing just one article unknowingly with a now blocked user. I tried to maintain stability in the article since there was so much going on between the two edit warring parties. Just because one of them turned out to be a sock, it doesn't mean that every one else who edited is tied with them. Furthermore, I scanned the edits of the socks and I have literally no common interests as they do. Very disappointed to say the least. Nonetheless, I have no doubt my IP will clear my name. Archives908 (talk) 12:44, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Additionally, it seems Horope started editing around Jan 2020 and Noelcubit shortly after in July. The blocked users seem to focus on Asia/Asian capital cities/Turkey, Russia and Russian topics, Islam, African countries, and demographics of the United States. Those are articles I have never worked on or have any interest in. I started editing back in November 2018 and my primary focus has been on Armenia related topics and have since created 57 articles (mostly about Armenian political parties). Highlighting again, no relation between my area of focus and the blocked users. Archives908 (talk) 13:56, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments
There's enough article interaction and "agreement" among the three accounts to warrant a CU. In addition, there are a few other items: (1) all of them blank their Talk pages; (2) none of them uses a special editor; and (3) none of them uses a mobile or other tagged device. Finally, AFAIK, no check was run at Sockpuppet investigations/Horope, which might have uncovered Archives908.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:46, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * . I concur with Bbb23; the collaborative edit-warring here is especially telling. --Blablubbs (talk) 12:30, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Archives908 is ❌ to Horope. However, during the course of my check, I discovered that Horope has been extensively engaging in sockpuppetry with many more accounts than had been previously known. I've documented those findings at Sockpuppet investigations/Horope. Closing without action against Archives908. Mz7 (talk) 23:01, 15 August 2021 (UTC)