Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Ark25/Archive

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User:Barecode has been identified as a sockpuppet of Ark25, a LTA user banned on ro.wikipedia by community’s decision in 2016. As a result, their account is currently blocked indefinitely, according to the local policy on sockpuppetry. This account has no contributions to ro.wikipedia that could be used for checkuser purpose, but they contributed to en.wikipedia until very recently (October 14, 2021).

User:GoldRoger487 was a sleeper account created in 2011 (as User:VeteranWar), then renamed and reactivated only in October 2021. After a short time, they followed the same pattern of aggressive behavior and wikilawyering as Ark25. We have very strong reasons to believe that this account represents just another sockpuppet attempting to evade the indefinite block.

Unfortunately, ro.wikipedia has no checkusers to help us with the verification needed in order to take any necessary measures. As far as I know, stewards at meta.wikimedia.org cannot perform checkuser actions on en.wikipedia, but they can use your possible findings either directly or through a private page at checkuser.wikimedia.org. Please note that, since this sockmaster is particularly insistent, there might be other sleepers or active accounts connected with the same group. Thank you. Pafsanias (talk) 10:08, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
 * You may wish to compare this page created by Ark25 or this one, with this page created by GoldRoger487 or this one. It is that type of verbose wikilawyering that we would prefer to avoid on ro.wikipedia, if we can obtain a technical confirmation of the suspected sockpuppetry. Attempting to evade a site ban and indefinite block by using sockpuppets is a reason per se for immediate indefinite block (even if the accounts are just sleepers without any contribution). However, I quite understand your hesitation, since en.wikipedia is not directly affected. That is why I don’t ask for administrative measures to be taken here, but only for cross-wiki assistance to help us solve our local problem at ro.wikipedia. Thank you once again for your kind consideration. --Pafsanias (talk) 20:53, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Comments by other users
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This accusation provides no evidence (diffs on edits or messages) to correlate the behavior between the 2 users.

I was also accused previously without evidence of being a clone of Parvus7 or Saxonul on a talk page on ro.wiki which resulted in an unfair block. --GoldRoger487 (talk) 11:01, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

Note: user GoldRoger487 was blocked to protect ro.wiki from his destructive behavior. See this notice, too.- Accipiter Gentilis Q. (talk) 23:07, 6 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Sorry I don't care about Romanian Wikipedia, I never edited it but how do you know that I'm Ark25? And how do you know that I'm GoldRoger487? I live in a big city, was using Ark25 the same IP as me? That's impossible. Was he from the same city? Yes? So you block entire cities? Or maybe you are blocking entire countries?
 * Somehow, you detected that I am Ark25. Then what prevents you to check the IP of GoldRoger487? You can check my IP but you can't check the IP of GoldRoger487? Check his IP then. See if he is using the same IP as me - or if his IP is in the same city - or in the same country. Or what?? Ark25 came into my city/country and then he moved into the city/country where GoldRoger487 lives? This guy must have a lot of money! Barecode (talk) 06:04, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
 * This is kind of puzzling so I have to write again. So I am the clone of Ark25, and GoldRoger487 is a clone of Ar25 too, but he is also a clone of Parvus7, that means Ark25 is a clone of Parvus7 (or Parvus7 is a clone of Ark25) so that is your point? What do you want? You blocked me on Romanian Wikipedia because you block entire cities or entire countries. I have no edits on Romanian Wikipedia but I'm somehow disruptive there, and now you want me blocked on English Wikipedia too? What kind of disruptive behaviour you noticed (or suspect) I have here? -- Barecode (talk) 06:15, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
 * That raises a legitimate question (I think): how can someone do sockpupetry without any edits? -- Barecode (talk) 06:23, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
 * @User:Barecode Your block on ro.wiki came from the checkuser requests:AgroDan & Zgaba, there were 2 groups and the community of ro.wiki understood that all groups are related to Ark25 and blocked all of them (reason is a consensus to keep disruptive behavior).
 * @Pafsanias...The ro.wiki Blocking policy mentions „Clonele create pentru a încălca politica Wikipedia vor fi blocate pe termen nelimitat.” which translates to "Clones created to violate Wikipedia's policy will be blocked indefinitely" which means that a clone of the one blocked for disruptive behavior has to edit.
 * Ro.wiki policies are translated from en.wiki and users use the vague wording to apply harsher punishments. I wanted to change the old spelling in those rules, but got blocked for two days for some ended conflict.
 * The rules will have to be more concise to avoid abuse use of power (as seen on the complain against Dan Mihai Pitea on meta). --GoldRoger487 (talk) 07:08, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Nince try... No, you was blocked to protect ro.wiki from your dangerous destructive behaviour.Accipiter Gentilis Q. (talk) 16:00, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments
, the lack of checkusers at ro.wiki does not prevent you, an administrator, from taking action at ro.wiki. Additionally, the lack of edits at en.wiki by GR487 makes it difficult to see behavioral connections.--Bbb23 (talk) 19:09, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Unless you can provide evidence in the form of diffs to prove a connection on enwiki (see also my guide to filing SPIs), I'm inclined to close this.  I would recommend handling this by requesting that a steward check locally on rowiki – see SRCU. Best,  --Blablubbs (talk) 19:21, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
 * GoldRoger487 is ❌ to Barecode. Ark25 is  -- RoySmith (talk) 17:11, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
 * - For the record, I think this should be moved to Ark25. Bbb23 (talk) 17:44, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Moved case to Ark25. What rowiki chooses to do with these accounts is up to them, but I don't see an actionable violation of the sockpuppetry policy on enwiki, so I'm closing this case. (As I understand it, Barecode was confirmed to Ark25 at SRCU, but there's no temporal overlap between these accounts on enwiki. Two of the other accounts found by SRCU, and, have edited enwiki and have some modest temporal overlap, but they haven't edited in over a year.) Thanks, Spicy (talk) 18:57, 14 November 2021 (UTC)