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The user ArsenalAtletico2017 has been highly focused on articles related to the relatively obscure American neo-Nazi Francis Parker Yockey, including the article on Yockey's book Imperium: The Philosophy of History and Politics and a short-lived article this user created on another of Yockey's books (now a redirect) The Enemy of Europe. Indeed, the vast majority of at least their past 500 edits have something to do with Yockey:. Suffice it to say, this user is heavily invested in that figure.

After a 31-hour block for edit warring and then some continued edit warring / personal attacks, this user was indef blocked on 23 May by. Here's the final-straw AN/3RR report. After their initial block but before their indef, it is worth noting that they threatened to create new account and move to new account, and when asked about this they doubled down, saying that it would be justified Because I am being harassed, some people just follow my account to revert all of my edits, then report me for "edit warring". 

The day after that last remark, the new account DerTag14 was created. Starting with their second edit, they began to write about Yockey, expanding existing mentions with UNDUE details, just as ArsenalAtletico2017 had so often done:. In their fifth edit, they created a whole new section on Yockey in the article Esoteric Nazism:. More edits by this new account involving Yockey include, and just a few minutes ago.

Note too that both ArsenalAtletico2017 and DerTag14 have !voted Oppose in a requested move discussion which I opened at Talk:Great Replacement:.

As always, I will be happy to answer any follow-up questions. Thanks, Generalrelative (talk) 23:50, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

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, what's up?--Bbb23 (talk) 00:16, 26 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Well I'm watching one of the Ice Age movies--they do not get better. Marriages, all this normative heterosexuality between extinct animals, it's the wrong message. You? Drmies (talk) 00:19, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I also CU-confirmed and blocked and, besides DerTag. Is that what you meant? Drmies (talk) 00:20, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
 * normative heterosexuality between extinct animals? That's vaguely disturbing. I'm not watching anything anywhere nearly as exciting, although Imelda Staunton is a superb actress. Back to work...can you confirm that DerTag is ArsenalAtletico2017, please?--Bbb23 (talk) 00:26, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Yeah, like I said--"besides DerTag". HELLA confirmed--no cap. I do NOT recommend any of the Ice Age sequels. I am not familiar with your actress but I'll take suggestions. Later! Drmies (talk) 00:29, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

Tagging and closing as the CU request is no longer needed. Bbb23 (talk) 00:37, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
Brand new account with the first edit to Imperium: The Philosophy of History and Politics. Classic Arsenal-style edit minimizing Yockey's antisemitism and over-relying on original summary of Yockey's works. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 13:12, 26 May 2022 (UTC)


 * In case someone sees this before my post at SPI Talk, I typed the sockmaster's username wrong so this report is in the wrong place. Happy to refile if needed. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 13:36, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

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 * Section moved from Sockpuppet investigations/ArsenalAtletico2007 per Special:Permalink/1089944337. --Blablubbs (talk) 13:36, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Blocking and tagging. Leaving CU request. Bbb23 (talk) 13:50, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Not sure CU is necessary this time as it was just run a few hours ago. Closing. Thanks, Spicy (talk) 14:29, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
 * , I ran it anyway and blocked and . Drmies (talk) 17:06, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I suppose I'll tag those then. :) I wonder where some people find the time... Spicy (talk) 19:51, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
Account created just after the 26 and 27 May blocks (see the section above). Immediate focus on Yockey material. I can dig into more evidence if needed, but this is blatant ban evasion in my view. Requesting CU as last time there were sleepers. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 19:54, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

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✅ CU blocked, amazingly after I blocked the sock he appealed his own block saying he'd be good and not sock anymore. I declined that. I need a bit of time to check on other possible socks though, I'll do that in the next few hours. Doug Weller talk 08:33, 5 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Ok, I've also tagged, this can be closed. Doug Weller  talk 11:08, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

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Doug Weller talk 13:01, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

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✅  Doug Weller  talk 13:01, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Closing. Thanks, Spicy (talk) 16:15, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

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Super ducky. Requesting CU as previous checks have found sleepers. More diffs on request. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 13:36, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Removing the same material removed by Reumnon
 * Manual revert to restore DerTag14 content

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 * Blocked and tagged. Bbb23 (talk) 13:45, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I've changed it to a CU block now. Doug Weller  talk 14:13, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Closing, thanks. Spicy (talk) 16:40, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

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Brand new account up to the old tricks at Imperium: The Philosophy of History and Politics‎ Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 18:58, 15 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Not sure if I should request CU. The past few checks haven't turned up sleepers. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 18:59, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

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 * Blocked, tagged, closing. If the archiving clerk wishes to endorse a check, that's up to them. Bbb23 (talk) 19:15, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
Vixtabmoc created European Imperium 19 Jun 2022 which is word-for-word identical to Western Imperium created 4 Jun 2022 by ArsenalAtletico2017 sock Reumnon.

A sample: "These writings of Myatt included the 14 pamphlets in his Thormynd Press National-Socialist Series, most of which were republished by Liberty Bell Publications (Reedy, Virginia) in the 1990s..." "These writings of Myatt included the 14 pamphlets in his Thormynd Press National-Socialist Series, most of which were republished by Liberty Bell Publications (Reedy, Virginia) in the 1990s..." Shirt58 (talk) 02:41, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
 * footnote 8 in Western Imperium of 4 Jun 2022
 * footnote 8 in European Imperium 19 Jun 2022

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 * Blocked and tagged. Bbb23 (talk) 13:11, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Seems to have been dealt with; closing.  Girth Summit  (blether)  15:25, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
Same split focus on Georgian politics and European far-right politics as related to Francis Parker Yockey. See this edit adding Yockey content to Socialist Reich Party. Account was created just a few hours after the last sock was blocked. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 01:35, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

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 * - looks likely, see also EIA. I think it's worth a sleeper check this time since they've used multiple accounts concurrently in the past. Thanks, Spicy (talk) 03:45, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅ Salvio 22:07, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
 * --Blablubbs (talk) 22:08, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
Same focus on Francis Parker Yockey as ArsenalAtletico2017 and their previous socks. Indeed, among StrongALPHA's first contributions was to jump into a talk page debate precisely where AA had left off and to endorse their arguments by name : In a sense he was also a philosopher and a "Spenglerite", etc (all the things that ArsenalAtletico2017) mentioned above, because those things were a major influence on the writting he put out. Like AA, StrongALPHA has also been happy to edit war over Yockey content –– and in a similar way negotiate over content through partially restoring disputed content in stages, using edit summaries to communicate their arguments (this pattern would take a lot of diffs to demonstrate, but compare esp. the revision history of Francis Parker Yockey from April 24th – May 19th 2022, during which AA was engaging in this type of behavior, with the recent edits since March 13th of SA). The two also employ a similar rhetorical style in edit summaries while doing so: cf. e.g. (AA) versus  (SA). Not only is the interest in Yockey similar, but so are the particulars of the arguments the two accounts seek to advance: the emphasis is often on the relationship between Yockey and Marxism, e.g. (AA) versus  (SA) and also Spenglerism, e.g.  (AA) versus  (SA). More behavioral evidence could be provided if necessary, but for now I think we have a strong case for CheckUser, which in the past has been sufficient for identifying AA socks, and indeed, for turning up sleepers. Cheers, Generalrelative (talk) 18:21, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
 * UPDATE: In the interest of full disclosure –– I was examining some more recent edits by StrongALPHA and noticed a typographic pattern that differs markedly from that of ArsenalAtletico2017. I would be happy to explain privately, but would prefer not to give AA any tips on avoiding detection. With regard to this case, I have come to second-guess myself and would support closing without action. My apologies. Generalrelative (talk) 02:26, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

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 * Closing per reportee and the staleness of the socks. -- Amanda (she/her)  12:15, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
Pro-forma, checked and blocked at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Nugo20299. Spicy (talk) 23:28, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

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 * Closing. Thanks, Spicy (talk) 23:30, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
In October 2023, Zviad Gamsakhurdia was subject to edit warring from User:Cutoc (see ANI). User:Silveresc was also involved in the edit war and in the related discussions. See discussions between these two accounts: Talk:Zviad_Gamsakhurdia. It then appeared that these two accounts were socks of Sockpuppet investigations/ArsenalAtletico2017. They were banned on November 9.

The same pattern seems to repeat itself. On January 1st 2024, Zip18 removed the same content that Cutoc and Silveresc challenged before their ban: the paragraphs about Gamsakhurdia's policies towards minorities. I reverted Zip18. Zip18 started a discussion and complained about 'Russian bots and trolls'. I answered: '[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Zviad_Gamsakhurdia&diff=prev&oldid=1193331553 Don't resort to personal attacks. I'm not a "Russian bot" or "troll".]' Then, out of the blue, Fodrid (not previously involved in the discussion) joined the conversation and answered as if they were Zip18: "I did not call anyone specifically RUssian bot, I said this kind of debates attracts many Russian bots in general, and I don't want to feed the trolls which is against Wikipedia's rules." and then: "Don't think this is a personal attack.". Zip18 answered a few minutes later.

Fodrid's account was created on 14 November 2023, five days after Cutoc and Silveresc's ban. Fodrid mostly contribute on Georgia, its ethnic minorities, and the related conflict. Zip18's account was created in November 2022 but Zip18 started to be really active on 23 November 2023, mostly on the Georgian ethnic conflicts as well.

It's the first time I report accounts and I hope it won't backfire. I'm not sure the evidence is strong enough but given ArsenalAtletico2017's past, the behavior of these two accounts seems highly suspect to me. a455bcd9 (Antoine) (talk) 14:33, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

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This is false allegations against me which are totally absurd. First of all, my account was created in November 2022, I checked everything right now and I found out that the acounts which I am accused on being sockpuppet of were banned in November 2023 after CheckUser investigation, this logically leads to conclusion that I also would have been banned after this check if I was a sockpuppet, but this did not happen, so it is obvious I am not a sockpuppet or anything. This proves that allegation is absurd and no check is required. Secondly, I am periodically active on Wikipedia, I created account in November 2022 and started editing in January 2023, then in June and so on. I was active on Wikipedia before January 2024 so the argument of this user is wrong. I am Georgian so most of my edits are about Georgia, but not only, see the example - this, or this and many other, which this user chose to ignore to cherrypick and provide false allegations. It is natural that most of my edits are about Georgia and related topics, since I am Georgian! otherwise, there is no connection at all. There is no evidence at all! IP investigations would have banned me in November 2023 if I was a sockpuppet, because my account was created in November 2022! And if I was a sockpuppet, I would have started my editing on the same page in November 2023, but I started only after three months because that's when I found that page! This user thinks anyone challenging him is a "sock puppet" which is an absurd. Moreover, I don't know about other user, but this user presented incorrect quote, the actual quote is: "I think he said I wanted to add information about Russia's involvement (which indeed happened and was attested by many sources) and I did not call anyone specifically RUssian bot, I said this kind of debates attracts many Russian bots in general, and I don't want to feed the trolls which is against Wikipedia's rules. Don't think this is a personal attack" (see here. I think all of this is enough evidence for not responding to this accusations, moreover, this user violated rules about opening such investigations and did not notify me about it, which is wrong too. This user is trying to revert my edits which added vast amount of text and reorganized the body of article, but he only presented arguments about some of my new addition but removed everything, this action is probably connected to this effort to frame me as "sockpuppet" with no evidence at all. - Zip18 (talk) 14:49, 3 January 2024 (UTC) Hello, I think there is a misunderstanding here about this investigation. First, the user a455bcd9 said that I appear "out of the bluet" but actually I was engaged in editing on that page and that's how found out about the discussion in page. So this is misinterpretation here. Second, I wrote the comment with many grammatic errors unfortunately, so that's where I think the confussion stems from, I think this is erronous and I am sorry for my bad English. Otherwise, I just agreed with Zip18 which I found agreeable, the other user on the same page Alaexis agreed with user a455bcd9 so should we also open investigation about them for being sockpuppet too? And while I agree that my account been created after 9 November, I think it is coincidence, and this is another misunderstanding. Otherwise, there is no connection, besides me adding Georgia-related topics, which happened because it looks like all users involved in this are Georgians themselves and there are not that many topics about Georgia on WIkipedia. Otherwise, please see my edit history that I have many edits about non-Georgia related topics too. So I don't think this is evidence enough to have an investigation about. — Fodrid (talk) 15:10, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

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 * - Please, compare those two accounts to each other and also to WP:Sockpuppet investigations/ArsenalAtletico2017 socks.  Vanjagenije  (talk)  01:20, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * ✅ to ArsenalAtletico2017,.
 * - Please merge to the case indicated by Vanjagenije. ST47 (talk) 02:42, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
 * ✅ and closing.  Vanjagenije  (talk)  17:37, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

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Creation of Battle of Tuapse (1918). Please check for sleepers. - UtherSRG (talk) 01:29, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

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 * The named accounts above are ✅ to each other, and a subset of them are in turn ✅ to and  to : I'm blocking the lot momentarily. Additionally,  is  to  and ; as this latter set has 3 and 0 edits, they may be sleepers, but the connection is weaker, and I'm not certain if blocking is appropriate at this moment. As there's a separate SPI for Fodrid, I'm wondering if this section should be merged there, and I would appreciate assistance with tagging. Vanamonde93 (talk) 01:46, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Merged. Ran some checks of my own. Abrolek is directly ✅ to the master, and Treentr and Viniet are ✅ to Abrolek. I will be blocking these accounts. Spicy (talk) 22:09, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Tagged, closing. Spicy (talk) 22:11, 15 March 2024 (UTC)