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Arsi789 tried, on two occassions (on 10 March 2019), to remove content from the Pashtuns page, which had originally been added by User:Anupam:


 * "India's pashtun population is not credible" Rv #1
 * reason? Rv #2

A few days later, on 30/31 March 2019, KamranHassanUK appeared all of a sudden (a brand new account), in order to pursue Arsi789's stance on the Pashtuns page. Though "KamranHassanUK" had only made three edits by that time, he was somehow already aware of Anupam's talk page, of Anupam's edit, as well as other details;

- LouisAragon (talk) 15:52, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
 * "It would appear that Anupam is using an unreliable source for the Indian Pashtun figure and it also appears that this user has been warned about India, Pakistan, and Afghanistan discretionary sanctions. This user also appears to be making similar edits in other Afghanistan related articles. Anupam, please review your source. A dnaindia.com article is not a reliable source. The figure you are quoting is not seen anywhere else. I would strongly encourage you to revert your edit unless you find a more credible figure."
 * "Reverting Anupams change. Dnaindia is not a scholarly source. Please see talk page." Rv #1
 * "Reverting Anupams change. Dnaindia is not a scholarly source." Rv #2

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 * - KamranHassanUK was checked a few days ago at Sockpuppet investigations/Casperti. That check would have turned up any connection to Arsi786. Sir Sputnik (talk) 22:49, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

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Both accounts are basically pursuing the same narrative (promoting Islam, nullifying/belittling Christianity and other religions). They both appear to be popping up at some relatively obscure articles and in convenient scenarios every now and then. Furthermore, there's also some similarity in username.

At Religion in Russia:
 * Arslan-San: nullified/belittled Orthodox Christianity
 * Arsi786: Belittling a poll which shows that Orthodox Christianity is the largest religion

'''At Religion in Morocco:
 * Arslan-San: belittling Christianity
 * Arsi786: Removed sources and mention of high numbers of Christians

Name similarity:
 * Arslan-San
 * Arsi786

'''At Religion in Iran: - LouisAragon (talk) 01:02, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Arslan-San: promoting Islam
 * Arsi786: defending/reinstating content originally added by Arslan-San

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 * - TonyBallioni (talk) 02:18, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Arslan-San and Arsi786 are ❌.
 * Arsi786 is ✅ to.
 * Arsi786 is blocked for a week and Bolanriver is blocked indef, both without tags.
 * would a clerk please move the case to Arsi786. Thanks for your help :) TonyBallioni (talk) 02:35, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Case renamed and closed. —DoRD (talk)​ 13:53, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

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Arsi786 was banned from religious topics including atheism on 18 June, and on 7 July blocked for a week for violating it, after which they didn't return and stopped editing completely. On 26 July, Azeriking55 was created, making about a hundred edits the first day, showing strong knowledge of Wikipedia. Their topics are very similar (see the interaction utility) particularly demographics of Islamic religious groups, often increasing the reported numbers of devout Muslims. Their level and use of English is also very similar. They have been blocked previously for operating a sock account for over a year, and may have used multiple accounts and logged-out editing at other times:. Diffs:

Arab "Brometer" and Moroccan atheists Edits to Islam and domestic violence Cultural Muslims and atheists
 * Note the same misspelling of barometer as brometer in each, and the puzzling arguments that the source is "about being religious or not religious, it is not about being irreligious".
 * Arsi786 removes content about irreligion in Morocco and a citation of "Arab Barometer":
 * arabbrometer was on about being religious or not its not about being irreligious and atheist
 * Azeriking55 removes a citation of "Arab Barometer" showing 87% Muslims in Morocco, and replaces it with one showing 99.9%, and edit-wars over it:
 * Updated the graph to pew while the arab brometer poll was about religiosity in the country which has been sourced with an pdf by arab brometer.
 * Pew source clearly says 99% While the arab brometer poll is clearly talking about religiosity of the country take this to the talk page.
 * Azeriking55 similar in "Religion in Algeria":
 * Updated to a 2010 religious survey conducted by pew and removed the arab brometer survey as its about religiosity of people in the country rather than irreligion.
 * Azeriking55 again:
 * Arab Brometer survey - Look through teh survey its not about irreligion its dishonest of you to claim so it clearly talks about being religious or not religious and even somewhat religious
 * Azeriking55 again in "Religion in Tunisia":
 * take this to the talk page as the arab brometer poll is not about irreligion please do not make disruptive and misleading edits.
 * Arsi786 removes a section including mentions of marital rape, which is later reverted:
 * Azeriking55 removes some of the same content:
 * Arsi786 behavior noted at ANI "includes POV pushing, blanking any mention of minorities among predominantly Muslim nations or ethnic groups, reducing figures of Muslim apostates or Cultural Muslims, misrepresenting sources and edit warring."
 * Azeriking55 removes mention of Cultural Muslims and irreligious/atheists from a pie chart:

There are more examples if necessary. --IamNotU (talk) 01:02, 27 July 2020 (UTC) IamNotU (talk) 01:02, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

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 * See also Sockpuppet investigations/Azeriking55, which may need to be merged here. to identify technical connection and potential sleepers. --Mdaniels5757 (talk) 20:08, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

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 * ✅. Pictogram resolved.svg All sock blocked and tagged. Closing case. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 12:59, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

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Identical editing pattern to User:Arsi786. 2600:1014:B042:2EEB:5863:F6:A860:6CF7 (talk) 18:40, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
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 * See also Sockpuppet investigations/Azeriking55. --Mdaniels5757 (talk) 20:22, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I added a bunch of diffs for Arsi786/CircassianBilyal there, because Azeriking55 has now been confirmed and admitted as a sock of Arsi786. It should be moved/merged here. --IamNotU (talk) 13:34, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Mdaniels5757 Straubook might be also a sockpuppet of Arsi, check his contributions history : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Straubook

I propose we add him too. Azzikon (talk)16:03, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Please have a look at Special:AbuseLog/27362998, which I'll now remove from WP:AIV, to see if it's relevant in any way. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 20:42, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

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 * Already blocked, and given the findings below and at the other SPI this doesn’t really matter. Closing. TonyBallioni (talk) 07:32, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

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Identical editing pattern to User:Arsi786 and User:Azeriking55.

This edit includes the standard "not about religion" complaint. Azzikon (talk) 12:25, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

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Some specific diffs:
 * Misspelling "undo" as "undue": Arsi786:, Straubook: , . Each edit is part of an edit-war/dispute where they are trying to increase the number of Sunni Muslims.
 * In Religion in Tunisia, removing a Pew 2012 citation/data and arguing that "it's not about religion, it's about religious sects", and that Tunisia is 99% Sunni, not 58%:
 * CircassianBilyal:
 * Pew is stating the sects of Islam in the country not religion look at the source given. They proceed to edit-war over it: ,
 * Confirmed sock Azeriking55:
 * - two days after CircassianBilyal is blocked and their edit reverted, Azeriking55 is created and immediately makes almost the same edit, adds the 99% figure etc., and edit-wars over it.
 * The bar chart talks about sectarian sects of islam in tunisia rather than religion in tunisia. - when they can't get their way, they just remove the whole chart.
 * - introduces a different Pew citation that says 99%.
 * Straubook:
 * The previous source given by tarek was about sectarian affiliation of muslims in tunisia not about religion the current reference given is about religion in tunisia. Tarek is making disruptive edits see his edits on british arabs. - four days after Azeriking55 is blocked and their edit reverted, Straubook is created and immediately removes the first Pew source and figures again, replacing them with the 99% ones. They continue to edit-war:

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✅ and, closing. TonyBallioni (talk) 01:18, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

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Editing the same articles, making the same complaint with the same spelling/grammar.

"not about irreligion" "not about irreligion"

"arab brometer poll is clearly talking about religiosity" "arabrometer bbc poll is talking about religious and less religious" drt1245 (talk) 21:59, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

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 * : although (which is the older account, and therefore should be listed as master) is indeffed for edit warring, this could be an instance of block evasion using  (which was created 2 days after CircassianBilyal was indeffed) for which technical evidence may prove useful. --Mdaniels5757 (talk) 20:00, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
 * See also Sockpuppet investigations/Arsi786, into which this may need to be merged. --Mdaniels5757 (talk) 20:07, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Even if CU evidence isn't completely definitive here, I think the behavioral evidence is - the timing, and especially all the comments about "Arab brometer" with the same misspelling of "barometer" and the same strange argument that the survey is about being religious or not religious, and not about being irreligious. See the other diffs at Sockpuppet investigations/Arsi786. CircassianBilyal is already indeffed, but should be marked as a sock to note that WP:BLOCKEVASION / WP:BANREVERT applies, and merged, with Arsi786 as the master. --IamNotU (talk) 14:31, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Update - Arsi786 has admitted at User talk:Arsi786 that they created Azeriking55 to evade their topic ban. But they deny that CircassianBilyal is also theirs. So in addition to the evidence above linking CircassianBilyal to the Azeriking55 sock, I'm presenting the following, linking CircassianBilyal directly to the master, Arsi786:
 * Arsi786 was topic-banned from religious articles on 18 June. On 23 June, CircassianBilyal was created, and immediately began editing in the same areas, repeating edits of Arsi786. On 24 July, CircassianBilyal was indeffed for edit-warring. On 26 July, Azeriking55 was created and immediately continued the same types of edits and edit-warring.
 * In Concubinage in Islam: CircassianBilyal started edit-warring particularly with user Mcphurphy until CircassianBilyal was blocked from editing that article on 22 July. This continued a similar set of edits from May in the same article by Arsi786, also edit-warring with Mcphurphy:
 * 17-18 May, Arsi786 contentiously removed/changed a large amount of text (about 5k):, and then edit-warred over it with various users who reverted it, e.g.: ,.
 * CircassianBilyal arrived, repeating largely the same edits and edit-warring in June:, , , , ,
 * Arsi786's final edit was adding the word "withdrawing": ; CircassianBilyal's first edit was adding the same word to the heading of the same section:
 * Arsi786 asked user Vice regent to help edit the page after they were topic-banned: ; CircassianBilyal did the same after they also got banned from the article:.
 * The article has been fully protected since 22 July, so Azeriking55 couldn't make any edits.
 * "Arab brometer" edit warring: Arsi786 and confirmed/admitted sock Azeriking55 used the same misspelling of "barometer", and the same insistence that the source is about not being religious, and not about being irreligious, both before and after CircassianBilyal did. That spelling isn't found anywhere else on Wikipedia, nor anywhere else on the whole Internet as far as I can tell.
 * Arsi786, 16 June: arabbrometer was on about being religious or not its not about being irreligious and atheist
 * CircassianBilyal, 24 July: The arabrometer bbc poll is talking about religious and less religious statistics and changes in the Arab world not irreligious also:, , , , , , , , , , , , , , , etc.
 * Azeriking55, 26-29 July: Updated to a 2010 religious survey conducted by pew and removed the arab brometer survey as its about religiosity of people in the country rather than irreligion. also:, , , , etc.


 * --IamNotU (talk) 14:53, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

IamNotU drt1245 I suspect also Straubook to be another of his suckpuppets.

Check his contributions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Straubook Azzikon  (talk)15:33, 5 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Agreed. This edit includes the standard "not about religion" complaint. drt1245 (talk) 16:12, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

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 * This is at absolute best. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 13:00, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Moved case to correct sockmaster. Archives already had an investigation of CircassianBilyal which was closed because they were already blocked; I'm inclined to agree with that. I also note that while both CircassianBilyal and Arsi/Azeriking misspell "Arab barometer," they misspell it differently. GeneralNotability (talk) 18:51, 18 August 2020 (UTC) GeneralNotability (talk) 18:51, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Closing without further action. GeneralNotability (talk) 18:52, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

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Behaviourally obvious. Literally, same username with a string of numbers. I don't even know why I'm asking for evidence. I guess just so I can have an immediate block. 67.85.37.186 (talk) 17:43, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

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 * Marking for close, since the alleged sock is now indef blocked for sockpuppetry by User:Nthep. There is no special reason to do a check. EdJohnston (talk) 19:06, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Added tag for Arsi78612345664 -- RoySmith (talk) 00:02, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

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Same behavior, where he remove any mention other than Islam in ethnic groups articles or removing info about those converting from Islam.
 * 1) For examples here and here ; same claims even the sources stated the Muslims percentage is around 86.6%.
 * 2) Here in this article same behavioral edits, ,.
 * 3) Here and here.
 * 4) Here and . Aman Kumar Goel (Talk) 02:26, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

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I guess : same country with poor geolocation; different ISPs; devices are different but could easily be a device update. Use behaviour. TonyBallioni (talk) 17:47, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * From a behavioral standpoint, I guess it's possible, but I don't see enough to block on with nothing more solid from CU. The last known sock was almost 2 years ago; trying to make a definitive connection over that long a span is usually not possible.  If they're being disruptive, they could be blocked for WP:DE, but I suspect pursuing a socking connection is going to be pointless.  Closing with no action taken. -- RoySmith (talk) 16:42, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

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Upon looking recent edits of LionAjk, I am left with no doubt that this user is a sock of Arsi786. The account was created only 1 month after unblock request of Arsi786 was rejected. Not asking for CU because this account was already checked last time but there was not enough behavioral evidence to block. take a look.


 * Misspells "Undone" as "Undue".


 * Treat "samething" as single word.


 * Misspells "the" as "tge".


 * Writes "you are" as "your".


 * Calls "Robert Spencer" a "christian apologetic" in edit summaries.


 * Removes "Arabbarometer" from Religion in Egypt.


 * Changes "mostly" to "predominantly" at infobox of Kurds.


 * Estimates upto "60%" to be Muslims at Oromo people.


 * Same edit summary while removing "Hindu" related content at Chhaap Tilak Sab Chheeni.


 * Overestimates Muslim population at Tatarstan, once as 54.8% and once as 53.8.


 * Underestimates the number of atheists at Irreligion in Egypt.


 * Removes content about atheist/irreligion/irrelegious people on Turkey.


 * Large unexplained content removal related to Christianity on Growth of religion.


 * Fiddling with "Ahmadi" demographics at Religion in Chad.

. Aman Kumar Goel (Talk) 04:17, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

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It says I can defend myself which I will.

. I know how to spell ever heard off auto correct these mistakes are quite common especially if someone writes in a rush that doesn't mean we are the same person?

. As you can see in that edit summary I had went over my character limit and had to remove and restructure the whole thing I even made a bunch of other mistakes in regards to spelling which you are ignoring to this is nitpicking.

. I don't get your issue here your is you are you can use both?

. Again I did it for space reasons and the account your accusing me of doesn't even mention the survey or is in regards to arsi786?

. I removed websites that had links to pro christian groups I didnt say he was directly a christian apologis even a google search can confirm that he is one and these two pages are from completely different wikipedia articles how can you actually say our edits are the same or similar?

. I used sources for that they even confirm kurds can be jews, christian and zoroastrians but mostly are sunni muslim what is the issue exactly.

. The source says 60% to 55% if you see for yourself in the oromo wikipedia page

https://www.refworld.org/docid/3df0a18e4.html (Oromo)

. The sources given say its 53 to 55% in regards to faith in tatarstan so how am I in the wrong and that person changed it to 54% thats two completly different edits? Here is the source which says 53%

https://carnegiemoscow.org/2015/05/13/islamic-challenges-to-russia-from-caucasus-to-volga-and-urals-pub-60334

(Tatarstan link)

. Because the source itself said it was anecdotal evidence the arsi786 edit is different from mine as its completely different source from mine.

. The song chap tilak sub cheeni wasnt about religion I only reverted changes made by those ips that added changes without a source and my edit from arsi786 are two different completely different they are not the same.

. I read it and it clearly said in those brackets and reference it was applied to a certain segment of indonesian society which was kejawan I wanted to correct it and part from that part my edit was different from that persons.

. I didnt remove irreligion I linked it to the religion of turkey page as many other country pages have done I thought it was normal as religion of turkey in the survey section has many other polls and surveys and I thought it would be better to link them all. This arsi786 usee removed irreligion as a whole and I didnt this is not the same edit.

. I had to revert some of the edits by groznia I didnt target the ahmadi part you can see from the edit history I had to undue a lot of their edits. The other account removes it entirely which I didnt do.

All I am going to say my edits are different from this persons you can accuse anyone with these accusations — Preceding unsigned comment added by LionAjk (talk • contribs) 09:08, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

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 * - -- RoySmith (talk) 16:20, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I looked at this in 08 July 2022 and couldn't get past "possible". Given the detailed diffs presented here, plus my own examination of the editing histories, I now see more than enough to call LionAjk a sock.  There's still nothing solid on the CU side, so I'll just tag them as "suspected", although I think "proven" wouldn't be unreasonable. -- RoySmith (talk) 18:14, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

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Identical editing pattern to User:LionAjk who was the sockpuppet of User:Arsi786.

Similarly purporting neutrality in their edit summaries  

They are trying to change the same part of an article.  

And edit warring to push their original research by switching between the above IPs at Banu Nadir, Banu Qaynuqa, and Constitution of Medina. Kaalakaa (talk) 16:32, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

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 * The 2A02 range matches both broad trends and one very specific tell mentioned in the archive. Blocked 9 months. 82 is long stale, but at a glance looks likely. There's over 500 2A02 edits, feel free to apply WP:BANREVERT as you see fit.  --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she&#124;they&#124;xe) 07:03, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Kaalakaa (talk) 09:06, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

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The IP range 2a02:c7c:e83a:0::/64 geolocates to the exact same location as the currently blocked that Arsi786 used. On the Religion in Lebanon article, 2a02:c7c:e83a:0::/64 reinstated an edit by a user named Barbardo, who shares the same interests and editing style with Arsi786 and their other socks. . If more detailed evidence is needed, I can provide it via e-mail. — Kaalakaa  (talk)  10:52, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

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 * Barbardo is to previously checked socks. Blocking the account as a CU block and the IP range for behavior for reasons similar to Tamzin's block in the previous archive entry. ST47 (talk) 01:53, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

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The suspected sock is currently blocked for edit-warring. I compared the account to Barbardo, who is I believe the only non-stale puppet, and the article intersection was strong, the edit summaries were similar, they both focus on religious demographics, and when the talk on Talk page discussions, they have similar language problems.

Change from 10.9% to 11% for Islam in Kenya: Barbardo and Inteqaam.

Change value in infobox to 11.25: Barbardo and Inteqaam.

I'm requesting CU to confirm. Bbb23 (talk) 14:09, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

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 * ✅. Courcelles (talk) 16:58, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Reblocked/tagged/closed. Courcelles (talk) 16:59, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

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. I can provide the evidence via e-mail if needed. — Kaalakaa  (talk)  18:40, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Reopened. Hi @Ponyo, it seems like I found another one: . Would you mind doing a quick checkuser? Like the previous one, I can send you the evidence via email if needed.  —  Kaalakaa  (talk)  09:13, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

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 * ✅ to Arsi786 sock . Blocked and tagged. Closing.-- Ponyo bons mots 22:25, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I've blocked and tagged as  as well.--  Ponyo bons mots 22:30, 18 April 2024 (UTC)