Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Astral Prince/Archive

11 June 2015

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After Astral Prince's indef block, two new accounts have popped up that engage in the same pattern of nationalistic POV pushing on articles he was previously active on.

     Winner 42 Talk to me!  15:11, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

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Winner 42 knows about this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Warwar86/Archive

CU was not able to link them. Is this personal attack? Cosmic  Emperor  16:24, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
 * No I did not know about this. Though assuming that I did and accusing me of personally attacking the editors involved shows a lack of good faith. Winner 42 Talk to me!  16:31, 11 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Lack of Good faith??? seriously. The results above shows astral prince has no relation to knight warrior. And it's not possible that you are unaware as it's clearly mentioned on astral prince's talk page. You have interacted with him before me. i knew him only few hours ago.

Even right now this message is visible on his talk page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AAstral_Prince&type=revision&diff=665637453&oldid=665478214 Cosmic   Emperor  16:36, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
 * It's not possible that I didn't see the template hidden in with all the other templates on the page when it wasn't even given a proper heading? Please stop this pattern of incivil behavior. Winner 42 Talk to me!  16:42, 11 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Two things; 1) CU does not have to link two accounts (and they could never have done that as the old account was stale... which is why I did not ask for a CU on that account when I filed Sockpuppet investigations/Warwar86/Archive)... behavioural evidence can link two accounts as well and it's not a personal attack when a formal SPI is filed. 2) Even if we suppose that AstralPrince was not a sock of Warwar86, the behavioural evidence for linking this new account "Krishanbura" to AstralPrice is still present. With that said, I think this SPI might be merged with that of Warwar86 and in anycase, I would endorse 's report as Krishanbura seems to be AstralPrice; mobile only editing and similar pro India POV blatantly even on articles where consensus has been established based on RFCs. -- lTopGunl (talk) 16:57, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I thought I should share the edit made by his IP too. Faizan (talk) 18:13, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

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 * - KnightWarrior25 was checked against Astral Prince when he had just two edits. He made some more edits since, so a new check may be needed. Krishanbura was never checked. Please, provide some WP:diffs that clearly show the connection between three accounts. Those diffs that you have provided do not show anything: those are different edits made to different articles.  Vanjagenije   (talk)  21:25, 11 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Krishanbura is heading for a block for edit-warring and point of view pushing, but I see no obvious evidence of connection to either Astral Prince or KnightWarrior25, except for having a heavy pro-India and anti-Pakistan bias, but there are probably several million people with that point of view, so it proves nothing.
 * KnightWarrior25 does not look like a new editor to me. Even in the very few edits that this account has made so far, there is a striking feature which would be very unusual for a new editor, but very common for a sockpuppet. However, I don't see any obvious evidence that it is a sockpuppet of Astral Prince, rather than some other, as yet unidentified, account. (That is not to say I think that it isn't Astral Prince, nor even that it is unlikely to be: just that I don't see any clear evidence that it is, so I see it as an open question.) The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 08:29, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
 * No diffs provided 9 days after I requested them. Closing the case with no action taken.  Vanjagenije  (talk)  19:01, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

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This is a request to merge Sockpuppet investigations/KnightWarrior25 to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Astral Prince. I learned about this SPI the first time when i was collecting the evidence for MBlaze = KW and saw strong similarities between AP, KW and MBL but wanted to do this step by step. As we see in the archive, the last case was closed with comments by Vanjagenije suggesting that if more evidence is found then this can be reopened so doing the same now. Below evidence linking AP with KW and his other socks should be enough to carry out this merge. This is important to do so that we can properly identify future socks. Also, let me know if more evidence is required and I will try to manage some more.


 * Behavioral evidence:

I don't think this was can of worms. When you merge these SPIs, it opens other venues and possibilities of evidence, as there is a sock user-at-large which has behavioral traits of both KnightWarrior25 and Astral Prince. KnightWarrior25 was reported under Astral before as well but person who opened the SPI at that time did not have enough evidence or did not add enough evidence but now there is more evidence. Astral Prince is matching behaviorally with KW and his sock MBL both and there is another user which matches with Astral Prince and was reported under KW before. Its not a conincidence that Astral and KW could not be connected through an SPI possibly he was segregating the devices at that time as well and now this newer sock got away as well because he is segregating the devices the same way he did when he was using Astral and KW both at the same time. Someone ought to evaluate the evidence and merge these SPIs together if they think that it is convincing evidence. A close like that without evaluating the evidence is not helpful.  Sh eri ff  |  ☎ 911  | 14:02, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
 * KW, MBL and other socks had a strong interest in military/weapons related pages as does Astral Prince. User:Astral Prince is named after an Indian missile Astra and when we look at the Sockpuppet investigations/KnightWarrior25/Archive, we find out that KW's many socks were named after missiles. For example F-INSAS and Tejas.
 * The word "Astral" also means "related to stars" and if we carefully look at the meanings of usernames used by KW, we find another similarity, for example "Lightning". These names suggest “happenings in the sky”, for example "stars”and “lightning”.
 * All of them have poor grammar and sometime use double past tense: Astral Prince (1. i didn't posted, 2. I didn't mentioned), KnightWarrior25 ("did it written", "writed"), MBlaze Lightning (I do not wanted), SUMANTHARKI (re-writted)
 * Random first letter capitalization of words inside sentences: Astral Prince (Added few Indian and "Neutral Reference" about military victory), (This reference support Indian “Claims” of destroying 67 pakistani tanks.), (“Neutral Claims”), KnightWarrior25 (1. Numerous "Sources" are present ehich supports "Decisive Indian Victory". if you have any point then comment it in "Talk" page.), (2. Army Chief "Said"), (3. Revert "Removal" of sourced content), MBlaze Lightning (1. According to Indian claim will not be correct as Tashkent is a major proof ! Also, do see the "Neural Assesments" here Indo-Pakistani War of 1965 ! This is well mentioned by the "Neutral Sources" too !), (2. Added "Neutral Claims"), (3. Remove WP:FICTREF "Addition" ! The "Source" URL is missing ! Moreover "The Source" given is not at all "Viewable" !), (4. Please "STOP MAKING DISRUPTIVE EDITS"), MCIWS (1. Replaced "Dead" link with "Original" link of TOI.), (2. Added "Neutral Source"), (Added "Sourced Content"), F-INSAS (1. Although "The Claim"), (2. PAF has not released the "Gun Footage" camera), (3. Added "Sourced" contents), Tejas MRCA (Removed "Fake Claims")
 * Use of the word Neutral: Astral Prince (Added few Indian and "Neutral Reference" about military victory), (Neutral claims support decisive Indian victory), (“Neutral Claims”) MBlaze Lightning (1. According to Indian claim will not be correct as Tashkent is a major proof ! Also, do see the "Neural Assesments" here Indo-Pakistani War of 1965 ! This is well mentioned by the "Neutral Sources" too !), (2. Added "Neutral Claims"), MCIWS (2. Added "Neutral Source")
 * Enthusiastic about entering "Indian Victory" on India/Pakistan battle/war pages: Astral Prince (diff 1), (diff 2), (diff 3), (diff 4), (diff 5), (diff 6), (diff 7), (diff 8), (diff 9), (diff 10), (diff 11), (diff 12), (diff 13), KnightWarrior25 (diff 1), (diff 2), MBlaze Lightning (diff 1), (diff 2)
 * Insists on same number of Pakistani tanks destroyed and use the same reference: Astral Prince (diff 1), (diff 2), (diff 3), (diff 4), (diff 5), (diff 6), (diff 7), (diff 8), KnightWarrior25 (diff 1), (diff 2)
 * Other similar grammatical issues apart from the ones mentioned above: Astral Prince (I'm involve in an edit war), KnightWarrior25 (an is involve in an edit war)
 * Replaces 97 tanks with 100: Astral Prince (diff 1), (diff 2), MBlaze Lightning (diff 1), (diff 2)
 * Adding the same number: Astral Prince (diff), KnightWarrior25 (diff)
 * See the space before exclamation mark: Astral Prince (Editing Battle of Chawinda !), MBlaze Lightning (Fix !), (Fix as per as the source !), (Edited with sourced material !)
 * Use of WP:FAKE: Astral Prince (diff), MBlaze Lightning (diff 1), (diff 2), (diff 3), KnightWarrior25 (diff)
 * Similar way of directing to sections or pages with all capital words: Astral Prince (READ HERE), KnightWarrior25 (SEE AFTERMATH)
 * Big WP:DUCK evidence, notice the period at the end of section heading: Astral Prince (pls visit Battle of Phillora as fast as you can bro .), MBlaze Lightning (‎1. Please Check your E-mail.), (2. Quite Urgent.), MCIWS (Hello.), F-INSAS (Correction For Article.)
 * Section headings ending in exclamation marks: Astral Prince (Territory Lost!), (It was a Stalemate and not a Pakistani victory!), KnightWarrior25 (controversy!), MBlaze Lightning (Hey !), MCIWS (Appealing the Block.....!!)
 * The way to appeal: Astral Prince (Appealing for a last chance!), MCIWS (Appealing the Block.....!!)
 * Odd and random capitalization of whole words in the edits: Astral Prince (“READ HERE” in summary), (INDIA), ([ KnightWarrior25 ("SEE AFTERMATH" in summary) MBlaze Lightning ("SENSE AT ALL", "CIVILIAN"), ("WARNED"), ("DO NOT EDIT WAR")
 * Unorthodox capitalization in section headings: Astral Prince (Territory Lost!), MBlaze Lightning (‎Please Check your E-mail.) MCIWS (Appealing the Block.....!!), F-INSAS (Correction For Article.), Tejas MRCA (I Appeal this block and Request Administrators to UnBlockMe), GreyHatBilla (I Am Not a Sock User)  Sh eri ff  |  ☎ 911  | 20:53, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

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 * Knight warrior edited from 1st to 5th of july, 2015.
 * Astral Prince edited from 4th to 9th of june, 2015
 * MBlaze Lightning from 14th of may to 4th of july 2016
 * Breakdown, the time similarity between knight and prince is strong, one thing that may also be noted is all of them began and ended sometime around june or july, with mblaze's start being the only exception, this has been common in the couple of sockpuppet investigations i've commented on, sockpuppets show up a lot within a few month span, even if its on different years. Iazyges (talk) 03:25, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

Just noticed all of them are already banned? Iazyges (talk) 03:28, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

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This is an unnecessary can of worms. The only reason I've left it open this long is in case a clerk wanted to review the evidence. Closing.--Bbb23 (talk) 12:17, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

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Topic interest area is same between Astral Prince and Spartacus! (formerly ArghyaIndian). They both were editing Military/Weapons related pages. Please also note that Spartacus! was reported under KnightWarrior25 with a heavy amount of evidence and there was already a request to merge the SPI for KW with Astral Prince (Sockpuppet investigations/Astral Prince/Archive), that request was closed without evaluating the evidence noting that they did not want to open a can of worms but its important to merge these SPIs as there is an active user who displays the behavior trait of both KW and Astral Prince There is heavy evidence in there if someone still want to evaluate and merge them. Now you can see by below evidence that Spartacus! has the behavior traits of Astral Prince as KnightWarrior25 and MBlaze Lightning both had.


 * Behavioral evidence:

Really Kautilya, its not abuse of multiple accounts when you have one account blocked, you can come back under a different account and start editing the same pages? This is the lamest argument I heard from an editor from whom I expected a lot better.  Sh eri ff  |  ☎ 911  | 21:28, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
 * The logic behind names: Astral Prince (Astral means of or relating to the stars), ArghyaIndian (Arghya, a Hindi word means offering water to the sun which is in a sense related to the stars)
 * Another reason behind the name Astral Prince is Astra (missile), the page is also edited by Spartacus! and the first edit by Spartacus on that page was a revert which means that the page could have been on his watchlist prior to that.
 * Notice the odd line breaks in the text: Astral Prince (diff), Spartacus! (diff 1), (diff 2), (diff 3)
 * Enters multiple empty lines in the text, sometimes two and sometimes even three: Astral Prince (diff), Spartacus! (diff 1), (diff 2)
 * Copy/pastes same message to different forums: Astral Prince (Example 1, copy 1), (Example 1, copy 2), (Example 2, copy 1), (Example 2, copy 2), Spartacus! (Copy 1), (Copy 2 split between two edits: 1, 2)
 * Use of exclamation mark, Astral Prince used exclamation marks at the end of section headings (1, 2, 3) which is kind of unusual, not many people do that, Spartacus! continued with that habit and used it in the username which is also unusual
 * Similar way of talking, first of all its overall similar way of talk but also note that the line which starts with wording "Let me" is a separate line most of the time: Astral Prince (Let me clarify your few doubts), Spartacus! (Let me also explain RFC case from the starting)
 * Updates the same area of same page after almost a year of Astral Prince updating it, it shows that Spartacus! is keeping tab on the edits made by Astral Prince and updates them accordingly when new information becomes available: Astral Prince (diff 1), (diff 2), Spartacus! (diff)  Sh eri ff  |  ☎ 911  | 16:58, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

Your warning is incomprehensible for me. The only message I get from your warning is do not file an SPI again. I have seen SPIs with a very less evidence get accepted than what I present. The only requirement to file an SPI is providing evidence. I considered this enough evidence, others might think differently. It seems to me that you have made a matter of some kind of ego with my SPI filings since Krzyhorse episode. Can I request that you stay away from the SPIs which I file? And let someone else take a look at the evidence for once. Your close of previous SPI thread under this same file was premature and immature. You do not even evaluate the behavioral evidence so why do you close those requests where a CU is not required and that also when evidence is not looked upon yet. Your recent SPI closures are helping violators get away. A CU's job is opposite of what you are doing.  Sh eri ff  |  ☎ 911  | 14:15, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

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doesn't seem to realize that sockpuppetry means abuse of multiple accounts. I see no evidence of abuse presented, even if the two accounts were to be the same person. Without such abuse, no investigation is needed. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 20:24, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Sheriff is right. I didn't notice that the alleged master is blocked. I withdraw my comment. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 21:46, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

This report is completely baseless. Filer keeps on targeting me (god know what reasons, this is third time he/she file SPI against me. I don't know who is Astral Prince. Re to above "The logic behind names: Astral Prince (Astral means of or relating to the stars), ArghyaIndian (Arghya, a Hindi word means offering water to the sun which is in a sense related to the stars) "???? WTF?? I am a Bengali Hindu, I'm living in Bardhaman, West Bengal. Arghya is my real name and in bengali Arghya means worshipping materials which are used in puja (পূজার সামগ্রী). Moreover this is WP:OUTING. I made my first edit  on Astra (missile) page on 10 February  Re to DRDO AURA edit How may I know that a sock edited this page and I need stay away from it for some sock? And why shouldn't I edit the? bcuz of one/some socks user?? Re to use of exclamation mark in username Spartacus was not available to use but with a exclamation mark, it was. Sparta cus!  t@lk 03:20, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Overlap in interest is not a proof. I can mail my college Identity card, or my Government Adhaar card to administrator to prove, I'm a different person & not a sockpuppet of Astral Prince. Sparta cus!  t@lk 05:59, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

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Closing because of insufficient persuasive evidence. The username comparison is silly. The "odd" line breaks and adding extra lines are not uncommon. Forum shopping is very common. Exclamation marks in headers and in the username? Reaching. Starting some sentences with "let me" is hardly unusual. Some overlap of interest, particularly in this area of the project, is almost par for the course. The aggregate of such low quality evidence doesn't change the equation. The filer is warned that a continuation of these harassing and scattershot SPIs may lead to sanctions.--Bbb23 (talk) 12:01, 17 September 2016 (UTC)