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Three (or four?) accounts (and one IP) with identical combat mentality and the same ethno-nationalist agenda showing up at the "Polish death camp" controversy article (and its talkpage) yesterday and today, 28 January 2018‎, making disruptive, angst-ridden edits 2 minutes apart (45 edits), and 24 minutes apart in talk (13 edits) in mere 5 hours, working hand in hand like there's no tomorrow. – I hardly ever see anything like this any more. Please look at the Editor Interaction Analyser results (still growing). (for the newly added Murchison-Eye account, see Editor Interaction Analyser (2).)
 * Page: "Polish death camp" controversy. Min time between edits — 2 minutes (timeline).
 * Albin Schmitt: 28 edits. Icewhiz: 11 edits. Atrix20: 6 edits. Murchison-Eye: 5 edits.
 * Page: Articles for deletion/Strippergate (Israel). Min time between edits — 12 minutes (timeline).
 * Albin Schmitt: 3 edits. Icewhiz: 4 edits. Murchison-Eye: 5 edits.
 * Page: Talk:"Polish death camp" controversy. Min time between edits — 24 minutes (timeline).
 * Albin Schmitt: 10 edits. Icewhiz: 3 edits.
 * Page: Talk:2017 Las Vegas shooting. Min time between edits — 12 minutes (timeline).
 * Albin Schmitt: 30 edits. Icewhiz: 14 edits. Murchison-Eye: 1 edit.

The fast shooting from both hands at the "Polish death camp" controversy is especially troubling because the subject of the article is highly controversial, thus fuelling negative knee-jerk reactions. The new edits are made faster than I can type with my two fingers. Thank you.  Poeticbent  talk 21:04, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
 * 19:28, 27 January 2018.‎ First edit by Icewhiz . WP:Drive by tagging with false summary: (POV nightmare stating in Wiki's voice this is incorrect, misstating Jewish views, ignoring complicity and instigation (Jedwabne), holocaust drnial [sic] claims)
 * 19:31, 27 January 2018.‎ First edit by Atrix20 (3 minutes later). No summary. Added scare-quote from www.timesofisrael.com
 * 00:42, 28 January 2018.‎ Malik Shabazz reverted the Icewhiz POV tag, with summary: (→‎top: rv drive-by tagging -- please start a talk page discussion identifying specific issues in the article).
 * 07:56, 28 January 2018. First nasty edit by‎ 2a02:8084:6a80:5100:586a:e091:bc77:ca48 (no summary): changing "misleading and improper" to "proper and appropriate" (just like a child).
 * 08:21, 28 January 2018.‎ Atrix20 (25 seconds later) correcting the above, perhaps realizing that childlike mischief is just plain stupid.
 * 11:08, 28 January 2018.‎ Albin Schmitt (2 minutes later): adding scare-quote from twitter.com (!)
 * 11:26, 28 January 2018.‎ Icewhiz (12 minutes after the last edit by Albin Schmitt): touching up Albin Schmitt's edits (two times in a row), and adding on another scare-quote (3 minutes later) 11:29, 28 January 2018‎ from www.timesofisrael.com
 * 11:33, 28 January 2018‎. Albin Schmitt (4 minutes later) rewriting the lead to reflect the last edit by Icewhiz
 * 11:44, 28 January 2018.‎ Icewhiz : 4 consecutive edits in 7 minutes.
 * 11:58, 28 January 2018‎. Albin Schmitt : 3 consecutive edits in 2 minutes.
 * 15:47, 28 January 2018.‎ MShabazz revert (-4,964)‎ with the summary: (rv addition of massive and inappropriate amounts of text concerning bill -- not law -- and Israeli reaction -- see WP:UNDUE)
 * AND THE WAR GOES ON (!) WITH NO SIGN OF ANY EDITING CONFLICT ANYWHERE BETWEEN THE ABOVE ACCOUNTS IN SPITE OF THEIR INSTANTANEOUS SWITCHES. (Intersect).

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Baseless complaint, as may be seen by lack of my interaction with the other 2 named editors. It is not surprising editors showed up to this article following the passage of a bill that would outlaw expressing a connection between Poles and the Holocaust in Poland - leading to very wide coverage of the bill and condemnation thereof. The filer's claims of "ethno-nationalist agenda" are interesting in light of Articles for deletion/Szczuczyn pogrom (an attempt to delete an article about an atrocity comitted by Poles in 1941) and edits such as removing a Holocaust sidebar from an atrocity comitted by Poles in 1941 - in which I previously interacted with him.Icewhiz (talk) 21:37, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I'll also like to add that in my only other close interaction with Albin Schmitt on Articles for deletion/Strippergate (Israel) (to which I got since I regularly participate in AfDs on this topic area), I voted to delete an article he created.Icewhiz (talk) 22:03, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
 * "Good cop / bad cop" routine? —  Poeticbent  talk  22:18, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Aha. And other than that interaction on the Las Vegas shooting when it was a "hot" article with a few RfCs open (after checking - on all together different sections). It seems that anyone who is updating "Polish death camp" controversy to reflect actual sources in this very hot in the news item - is a sockpuppet per this complaint as well as holding a "identical combat mentality and the same ethno-nationalist agenda" per your words above.Icewhiz (talk) 22:29, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

There appears to be an error in the accusation. I have not edited the Articles for deletion/Strippergate (Israel) article, I think its just a copy paste error from the sentence above it, but I'm not allowed to fix it :) thanks Murchison-Eye (talk) 22:47, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
 * You're correct. Sorry, it was a copy paste error. See: strike out (per above).  Poeticbent  talk 22:58, 28 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Regarding the Casting aspersions of "WP:Drive by tagging with false summary" - I subsequently added sourced content to partially rectify the issues. The article grossly misrepresented Jewish and Israeli views of the actions by the Polish gvmt - subsequent tagging and editing by other editors was not surprising given the initial slanted state of the article.Icewhiz (talk) 23:06, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

What are you talking about? Of course many of us are editing now. You might not have seen it, but Polish concentration camps are top news in any major newspaper. So of course we are editing. And what do you mean with ethno-national agenda? I can't speak for the others, but I have only used reliable sources like the Washington Post and the Times of Israel. So no, I am not a Polish Nazi or whatever you wanna indicate with the nationalism statement.-- A P S  talk  23:19, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

I just want to point out, that I didn't used scare-quotes. I did quote Israeli Ministers. And I only used respected media. The Twitter quote you refer to is cited by the Washington Post and is from a Israeli Minister. It does seem like you are the one with the agenda here.-- A P S  talk  23:35, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
 * In regards to the latest personal attack below, I myself have never used OneClickArchiver - and I never archive talk pages (with the exception of my own user talk which I do manually every so often - I never got around to figure out how to use thos). I fail to see how responding to comments by another user (who is incidentally active on dewiki, while I am not) is evidence of sockpuppetry - particularly when the other user allegedly "lied" (AGF - this looks like a mistake) and deleted the section without anyone else participating or the discussion affecting anything.Icewhiz (talk) 20:40, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * - Timings can be used as evidence, but not as the primary piece of evidence. It looks like editors trying to improve an article to me, especially when 3 of them have over 1000 edits and you are disputing the content. Please present behavioral evidence that shows a pattern of making the same or same type of edits. -- Amanda  (aka DQ) 22:35, 28 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Here's the latest example, but please look at what they both include. It's all identical. These aren't improvements. They are twitter attacks.  Poeticbent  talk 22:51, 28 January 2018 (UTC)


 * 1) 19:28, 27 January 2018.‎ First edit by Icewhiz . WP:Drive by tagging with false summary: (POV nightmare stating in Wiki's voice this is incorrect, misstating Jewish views, ignoring complicity and instigation (Jedwabne), holocaust drnial [sic] claims)
 * 2) 11:14, 28 January 2018.‎ Albin Schmitt reinstating reverted flag by Icewhiz with summary: ( Added,  and  tags (within  )
 * And here is an absolute gem. In 'response' to Icewhiz's 'response' in Talk:"Polish death camp" controversy, Albin Schmitt writes: "My English is not so good, but what you write is what I meant." 13:15, 28 January 2018 (UTC) – After that, Albin Schmitt deleted the entire thread (both himself and Icewhiz ) while lying in summary: (OneClickArchiver archived Factual accuracy). – OneClickArchiver is BLOCKED and nothing was archived. One mind, one heart, one voice. In the same sweep, Albin Schmitt also deleted another, one-day old thread by User:Xx236 and User:Staszek Lem, using the same summary. That thread was unrelated (!) to his own double-talk. If this doesn't speak of pushy, I don't know what else would. Poeticbent  talk  17:54, 29 January 2018 (UTC)


 * It is not surprising that there is going to be fierce editing on a controversial article. It is also not surprising that there is going to be some agreement between some editors and disagreement with others. The evidence shows only what might be expected in these circumstances and is insufficient evidence of socking. Closing.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:11, 30 January 2018 (UTC)