Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Avoided/Archive

Suspected sockpuppets
After each Account, I added a letter, an R was added for an account, that was only automatically registered by logging in at ENWP, an E indicates an account, that has also made edits at ENWP.


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 * R, Banned from ENWP for "checkuserblock-account"
 * E, Banned at ENWP for "checkuserblock-account"
 * , E, Banned from ENWP for "checkuserblock-account"
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 * R, Banned at ENWP for "checkuserblock-account"
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 * , R, Banned from ENWP for "checkuserblock-account"
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 * , R, Banned from ENWP for "checkuserblock-account"
 * , E, Banned from ENWP for "checkuserblock-account"
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Checkuser trials in the German Wikipedia:
 * 1A
 * 1B-10
 * 11-34
 * 35-36

I hereby request a checkuser procedere on User:Avoided in order to investigate the cross-wiki-vandalism, that appears to committed by this user. As shown in links to the Checkuser trials, Avoided is a serial sockpuppet abuser. Above, i have listed accounts found in the ongoing checkuser investigation at Loginwiki, which had at least logged in at ENWP and therefore created local accounts (I can not see, if there are deleted edits) in the english Wikipedia. There are some accounts from mostly October or early November that have made edits at ENWP. For Accounts listed in the Checkuser trial 36 and partially 35, IP adresses should still be available at DEWP and Loginwiki.

Avoided has made ~2.600 Edits in December 2017, despite beeing - appart from 10 edits in 2016 - inactive since 2014. He started editing ENWP again two weeks after i put the sockpuppeteer-template on his userpage. The adding of the same template by a user in 2014 caused Avoided to stop using his account in 2014. Since beeing banned from the German Wikipedia in 2014 for the extensive use of sockpuppets in order to harass and threaten other users and cause general nuisance, he has become one of the worse problems of the German Wikipedia. His sudden return to ENWP after my edit on his userpage indicates, that he was never gone, but active under other accounts than his main account.

It seems possible, that the return to ENWP was a decoy, Avoided may could noticed that something was beeing prepared against him. Getting a new Sim Card and enough data volume would be possible for 10€. But this is a unlikely case as Avoided has been trying for years to hide his accounts from the checkuser investigations using proxies and every possible method without success. The ongoing checkuser investigation at Loginwiki has yielded numerous accounts that were created during December 2017 and should in theory be possible to compare them to the rest of the findings in Loginwiki. Liberaler Humanist (talk) 17:27, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

Comments by other users
''Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.''
 * I didn't create any of these accounts listed under Suspected sockpuppets, so I hardly care whether they checkuse or not. Indeed, I even hope in a way that someone decides to checkuse for that will refute your lame laissez-faire suspicions. --Avoided (talk) 21:03, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
 * In response to: Avoided has made ~2.600 Edits in December 2017, despite beeing - appart from 10 edits in 2016 - inactive since 2014. He started editing ENWP again two weeks after i put the sockpuppeteer-template on his userpage. The adding of the same template by a user in 2014 caused Avoided to stop using his account in 2014.
 * I have always been quite inconsistent on the English Wikipedia—even way before my conflicts and blocks on German WP had started—as you can see by checking my stats. My activity is not linked to any templates on my user page whatsoever. Feel free to make use of even more selective interpretation; this is exactly what people do to prove religions, ideologies or even the flat earth. --Avoided (talk) 22:31, 6 January 2018 (UTC)


 * To my knowledge, the checkuser trial was done at Loginwiki, where DerHexer is holding Checkuser rights. The findings are madepublic in DEWP. -- Liberaler Humanist (talk) 22:20, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
 * If this,this, this or that activity was in facto done by Avoided as the Checkuser on Loginwiki suggests, it could be reason for a ban. But you [Bbb23] are right, this request is in fact an attempt at claryfing the situation in context of the global ban. -- Liberaler Humanist (talk) 02:27, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

it is not clear to me whether you checkusered all these accounts and found them to be unlikely to be User:Avoided, or whether you checked their contributions and saw no reason to checkuser or block anyone making such contributions. An editor like User:Tronald J Dump is clearly not welcome here, and if Avoided or anyone else you can identify is behind that account, it would be good to know. There clearly is some LTA going on here. Fram (talk) 07:42, 12 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Bbb23, thanks. Fram (talk) 16:16, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * - What this case is going to boil down to is establishing a link between Avoided and Adolf Hynkel, as the others have not edited here. I'm going to since his comments on dewiki are a little difficult to parse. Hynkel is listed at dewiki's SPI into Avoided, despite not being registered there, as a "further account with username vandalism", so I'm not exactly sure if that connection has been established or not. Sir Sputnik (talk) 18:13, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Based on a complete check of Avoided and an almost-complete check of those accounts listed with edits at en.wiki (LH has added quite a few more since Sir Sputnik asked for additional information), I see no basis for blocking Avoided for his conduct here. That said, LH has requested a global ban of Avoided at meta, which, depending on the outcome, may make any local action here moot. I have therefore put the case on hold, although I can see some merit to closing it without action.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:18, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
 * No action to be taken here. Closing.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:03, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

Sorry for being a bit late with comments. It is fact that Avoided create several vandalism accounts and that some ranges could be linked to his account. There was also abuse on English Wikipedia in 2014 and the CheckUser who performed the action promised me to block the account (or to wait for a global ban). Nothing of the latter happened and it was not much of a problem because Avoided vanished from his main account on enwiki, too. After his actions, a lot more abusive accounts were create which harmed mainly dewiki but did also vandalize some other projects. Some used a similar pattern as Avoided, some used other patterns better known from other trolls. I collected and published the results of abusive account creations on dewiki but stopped linking them with Avoided himself because after some passed, without new data from Avoided, it gets impossible to link them with high probability, not even the ones that look similar to these accounts which were created by him back in 2014 (and even Avoided confirmed that some accounts are still being created by him at current days which is not excusable). I still reported them on the pages which were called Avoided because I couldn't find a better place. Just because he still vandalized the Wikimedia projects I did not find it super-problematic to mix different vandals here (which I made clear from the very first version of the page that some accounts can be connected with him and others are just likely or unlikely to do so) because it would either be impossible or very time-consuming to differentiate them. They all share one thing: They are creating abusive usernames and sometimes also attack users, do harmful edits, etc. I offered to move the CU investigation page to something more precisely like Avoided and other username vandals. To sum up, I cannot tell, and, honestly, don't care which accounts were created by which individual. My goal is to prevent damage from the projects by locking the accounts and publishing the affected ranges to dewiki administrators who can make short blocks at times when I'm not online and cannot react to such vandalism myself. Avoided as well as the other creators of abusive accounts should all get away from the Wikimedia projects and do not harm them anymore. If a CheckUser action, a local block, a global ban, or whatsover is the best way to achive that, is something I cannot tell. Best, —DerHexer (Talk) 21:41, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
 * All the socks listed here are blocked and/or globally locked. They aren't related to Avoided. I don't know who the master is other than to pick the oldest sock account listed here and dub that account as the master. No one has identified any disruption at en.wiki other than the accounts listed who have edited here. As I've already said, there's nothing more to do.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:55, 12 January 2018 (UTC)