Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Az.jooma/Archive

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Their co-ordinated edits on the page Aliza Ayaz and also for created the subject's brother's page as well, which was moved from main space to User Talk page when I tagged the page [] for speedy deletion. Angus1986  TALK  12:57, 11 September 2020 (UTC) Dear CU, could you also confirm whether their IP addresses are from Pakistan as confidently mentioned by, because one of their sock puppets IP is from the UK. Thank you! AngusMEOW ( chatter  •  paw trail ) 16:37, 13 September 2020 (UTC) @ need your help in establishing SPI, based on the editing trends on Aliza Ayaz and Draft:Aashir Ayaz by these users, do you think they are some genuine edits by the proud UCL students and KGS staff for the creation of the page, as claimed by or COI/promotion? Thank you for your time. AngusMEOW ( chatter  •  paw trail ) 17:03, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * @, if you have time could you look into this? The involved admin seems to assume good faith edits, and even declined CU request, but the evidence indicates that their edits are all co-ordinate with the sole intention to promote Aliza Ayaz and her brother Draft:Aashir Ayaz. Thank you! AngusMEOW  ( chatter  •  paw trail ) 20:16, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

@ I claim that all these accounts were created for the sole purpose of promoting Aliza Ayaz and also her brother, by their usernames they want us to misguide the editors here it as if they are genuine. I'm happy to dig deep into this matter. Something is really fishy here. I am happy to explain the whole story to you in detail if needed. But let me know what you think based on their edits. Thanks for your time. AngusMEOW ( chatter  •  paw trail ) 20:24, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
 * @ Could you also please check on Ucliehcs's submission of the picture of Aliza Ayaz's brother on commons, your initial assumption of good faith seems to be wrong, after I busted the lies of StudentsUnion they stopped responding on their talk page, your initial good faith bias probably came when (senior editor with 14 years on Wiki who currently has COI on Aliza Ayaz based on the number of edits performed) commented over here about all the edits being in good-faith. Would you reconsider CU on them? Behaviourally all of them seem to be sockpuppets with pure intention to promote the brother and sister. Looking forward to hearing from you. Ping @ is it possible to perform CU? Thank you! AngusMEOW  ( chatter  •  paw trail ) 21:27, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

@ My initial request for CU was declined by GeneralNotability based on their assumption of good faith edits (and no deception), but on further digging there seems to be a lot of deception between the suspected sockpuppets, is it possible for you to perform CU on them? Just a request. AngusMEOW ( chatter  •  paw trail ) 21:36, 16 September 2020 (UTC) @ Ok, thank you for your reply. AngusMEOW ( chatter  •  paw trail ) 21:57, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

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 * Comment: The first edit to the article was by Az.jooma with the edit summary "KGS IT staff creating page". KGS is likely "Karachi Grammar School" which the subject attended.  Esowteric + Talk  16:09, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

- I can guarantee that Az.jooma is also from U.K., this is all a scam by creating multiple accounts to make the edits credible, their edits are only focused on Aliza Ayaz and Draft:Aashir Ayaz. Clearly indicates COI, they could be family members, paid editing or promotion. If it is a shared IP by students of UCL, then Az.jooma shouldn't be the Sock Puppet, if Az.jooma confirms to be a sock puppet of Studentsunion and Ucliehcs, then Az.jooma clearly lied of being a KGS IT staff, which shows this whole thing is undisclosed paid editing or promotion. AngusMEOW ( chatter  •  paw trail ) 16:54, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment: The creator of the article, Az.jooma was most likely based in Pakistan. The others look like they're students from UCL, where the subject is studying, in England (as their usernames suggest).  Esowteric + Talk  16:41, 13 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Disclosure: A spokesperson for the editors at University College London (UCL) has left a lengthy disclosure at WP:Articles for deletion/Aliza Ayaz which may be useful (unwitting COI among other things), and they're also asking for assistance regarding the article, Aliza Ayaz. Perhaps GeneralNotability could have a quick scan through that background info?  Esowteric + Talk  09:41, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment Please don't scan, read through the statements in entirety, their story seems madeup. I have already brought this to the attention of an admin. AngusMEOW  ( chatter  •  paw trail ) 12:33, 14 September 2020 (UTC)


 * I posted this at the ongoing AfD, regarding your conduct in the case of Aliza Ayaz:

COI editing by AfD nominator: I posted this at the ongoing AfD, regarding AngusMEOW's conduct in the case of Aliza Ayaz: Might I please ask the nominator of the ongoing AfD not to make any more potentially tendentious edits to Aliza Ayaz that undermine the subject's notability (for example, through the removal of two reliable references and the selective reinstatement of just one), and to also refrain from reverting my addition of wikilinks in the List of British Pakistanis and a wikilink and content about the subject at Rare FM? Above all, this raises ethical questions about a conflict of interest and of propriety. Furthermore, I have been accused of having a "COI on Aliza Ayaz based on the number of edits performed" by AngusMEOW in both the AfD and at the the sockpuppet investigation of Az.jooma. I have no links to the subject or to any of the other editors or suspected sockpuppets. Stand down, Trooper! Thank you.  Esowteric + Talk  07:37, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * , acknowledging that I've seen this, I'll try to investigate tomorrow. GeneralNotability (talk) 00:26, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
 * All righty then:
 * Overall, I think this is a bunch of people collaborating on an article, many of whom have COIs, but I don't think it was intentional deception.
 * I think Az.jooma is UPE, based on the "KGS IT staff creating page" comment. Warned.
 * Hassnaali appears behaviorally unrelated, all they've done is vandalize.
 * Studentsunion and Ucliehcs have both earned themselves a softblock for username and a COI notice (the latter appears to parse as University College London institute of epidemiology and health care? or something like that)
 * KZSZ has edited the page in question once, there isn't a ton of behavioral evidence there. I note they also edited the University College London Student Union page, which does tie them to some other editors here.
 * Barring any surprising revelations, I'm inclined to call this a good-faith lack of knowledge about the rules rather than deception. As such, the checkuser request is . That said, I would like to hear, , and comment on the relationship between the three of them (once the latter two pick a suitable username and get unblocked, of course) before this case is closed. GeneralNotability (talk) 20:51, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I have no specific familiarity with this case, given this is the first case. Am I missing something where my input is needed? -- Amanda  (aka DQ) 21:32, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I haven't looked at the case, and given the level of complication this seems to have, I would need to sit down for an hour or so just to look at behavior before running a check. Given GeneralNotability's familiarity, I'd like them to come back to the case and comment first since they haven't had that chance to fully explain. Also if they reverse course and endorse, they normally leave a brief summary that gives us enough to run a check. Let's let the process work itself at the minute, and a decline is not final and doesn't mean no admin action will be taken, in fact it's the opposite. -- Amanda  (aka DQ) 21:50, 16 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Per Studentsunion's talk page here, there is some kind of discussion going on off-wiki. I stand by my assessment that these accounts are working together or are related to the subject but were not intentionally engaging in deception, and am opting to let everyone off with a firm warning about conflict of interest. I take no position on whether Studentsunion actually represents the UCL students' union. GeneralNotability (talk) 14:19, 17 September 2020 (UTC)