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Similar usernames, article editing pattern MRSC (talk) 23:32, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

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Both exhibit a pattern of introducing this kind of incorrect information into articles:   The text formulation is the same between accounts. MRSC (talk) 00:29, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

Here is an example of adding the text to the same article:   MRSC (talk) 07:46, 18 November 2019 (UTC)


 * I chanced on this page while looking over a recent series of edit spats on SE London articles. I think I should comment to help clarify what has been happening. I have an interest in SE London and NW Kent articles, and have edited there regularly for the last five years. Recently a new editor took the name Roger 9 Roger and began editing in a similar style to me in the same articles. I have no idea who this person is. I considered reporting this editor for clearly attempting to mislead other editors but decided not to on the assumption that someone else would or the editor would get bored of amusing him/herself with his silly antics. I was also curious to see that this editor did seem to have interests outside just mimicking me, as can be seen from his/her edit history, and that he/she was clearly not a run of the mill vandal but was actually making a few constructive edits. Then, it appears to me, that user MRSC, confused the two names as being the same person and entered some minor edit wars before realising the different but similar names and reporting here. I think it worth saying here that MRSC's actions have not helped matters. A quick check of both accounts would have shown very many differences, as has been done below. MRSC's has adopted a belligerent approach that I find surprising from such an experienced editor. The cause of the minor edit wars was the ongoing problem of how WP deals with UK counties. This has caused countless disputes involving numerous editors over very many years. The statement above that I (and Roger 9 Roger) am introducing 'incorrect' information, indicates merely a POV, (that IMO breaches consensus guidelines), that itself gives just a hint of why the counties problem is so confrontational. You will also see from the recent edits on Bexleyheath and Upton that MRSC has failed to enter a talk page discussion, which has only added to the tension. Anyway, I am glad that user Roger 9 Roger has been blocked. However, he/she does seem to have something more constructive to offer WP beyond puerile 'playing the system' games, so if he/she decides to change names, act in good faith and follow the rules, then I think the encyclopedia would benefit. Finally, I am a bit surprised that I was not notified of this investigation. Perhaps I have missed something, but there seems little point in allowing editors to comment here if they know nothing about any investigation or accusation. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 09:48, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

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 * &#32;In order to facilitate and expedite your request, please provide diffs to support your case. Please give two or more diffs meeting the following format:
 * 1) At least one diff is from the sockmaster (or an account already blocked as a confirmed sockpuppet of the sockmaster), showing the behaviour characteristic of the sockmaster.
 * 2) At least one diff per suspected sockpuppet, showing the suspected sockpuppet emulating the behaviour of the sockmaster given in the first diff.
 * 3) In situations where it is not immediately obvious from the diffs what the characteristic behaviour is, a short explanation must be provided. Around one sentence is enough for this. Sir Sputnik (talk) 00:02, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Clerk assistance requested: Roger 8 Roger is the older account, so this should be re-filed under that username. -- RoySmith (talk) 02:19, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I think it would be better to sort out what is going to happen with this case before renaming it.--Bbb23 (talk) 02:31, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
 * This is more likely a matter of someone creating a similar user account to one that already exists and belongs to someone else than a matter of sock puppetry here, but I haven't looked at this in-depth and will be doing so shortly. I agree with holding off on renaming this SPI case until more clear evidence is found that shows that this is sock puppetry and not a matter of someone impersonating someone else.  ~Oshwah~  (talk) (contribs)   23:55, 18 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Why did you pick this username that appears to impersonate another user? If you do not respond to my question, I will take that into account when deciding what to do with this report.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:55, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Bbb23 - I just soft blocked this account for having a similar username to . At the very least, this action is justified. The account denies having or operating more than one account (diff). Okay, sure... regardless of the circumstances here, the best case scenario is that the user is telling the truth, which still makes this a username policy violation as he can't have a similar username like that. Feel free to modify or change the block accordingly, of course... I just applied the appropriate action that I saw in the best case.  ~Oshwah~  (talk)  (contribs)   00:11, 19 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Regarding possible sock puppetry, the circumstances seem interesting when I look at the timeline of events between the two accounts on the edit history of the Morden article. The two users make edits only four hours between one another, and the spelling, details, capitalization, and grammar used in the edit summaries of both accounts appear similar (though I'm examining subtle behaviors more in-depth)...  ~Oshwah~  (talk) (contribs)   00:14, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Roger 8 Roger and Roger 9 Roger are ❌. Roger 9 Roger is ✅ to . . Please move this case to BSanders46. Note to : Unlike other administrative noticeboards, notifying a user of an investigation is not required. It is left to the discretion of the filer and in many cases is discouraged. In most instances, I don't think notification is helpful. In this instance, I think it would have been. However, you should not blame  for not notifying you.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:42, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Case moved —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 04:26, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

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I've already dropped CU blocks on these accounts. They are undoubtedly run by the same person, as is proven by CU information, geolocation, idiosyncrasies in edit summaries, etc. Part of this person's edits is an ongoing vendetta against User:Hunter Hutchins. I need one of you SPI experts to decide whether these accounts are a match, behaviorally and technically, with BSanders. I think they are behaviorally--just look at how combative they are, how they write edit summaries, etc. Moreover, I just ran into this fun little edit by BSanders, which is very similar to one by Hutcher [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=UPN&diff=prev&oldid=935275864 that caught my attention. I'm also hoping one of the CUs will look at the IPs to see if anything can be blocked, any ranges can be fond: the editor has a habit of pursuing their career of harassment via IPs. Drmies (talk) 21:06, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

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You guys are fast. And for that I am grateful. See

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/2604:2000:1102:C183:D460:2AAE:291E:16CHunter Hutchins (talk) 01:01, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

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 * I would consider them technically ✅ to BSanders46 and Roger 9 Roger based on the two ranges I checked here at 21:30 and 21:32. ST47 (talk) 21:39, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
 * ST47, thank you. I'm about to go have a look at your links. Update: you seem to have been very thorough. Thanks. Drmies (talk) 22:05, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I've posted some notes to . I'll go ahead and close this case as well, and make sure the accounts are all tagged. ST47 (talk) 23:08, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

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Roger 7 Roger is a clear sock of Roger 9 Roger. See Erith et al. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 11:10, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

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 * . Sir Sputnik (talk) 02:53, 2 August 2020 (UTC)