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has a history of extensive unsourced or poorly sourced additions to Bangladeshi diaspora, in particular its ethnic group infobox. After a brief and semi-coherent answer to the first warning on their talk page, they stopped responding to warnings there and would not engage in discussion at Talk:Bangladeshi diaspora, but continued making the same types of disruptive edits.

On 30 May 2021, in reaction to an incident I opened at ANI, blocked Badsanta69 from article space for 1 month in an attempt to persuade them to engage on talk pages. Unfortunately, I believe they have instead turned to IP editing to evade their block.

Like the master, the general thrust of the IP edits is to make the population numbers in the infobox higher and to list populations in many more regions. Also like the master, they generally cite bare URLs. Characteristic types of poor quality edits are:

Adding content with a source that does not in fact support it:
 * Master:
 * 58.145.190.226:
 * 58.145.190.229:
 * 103.156.176.54:

Switching to an older source (sometimes misrepresenting the date of the source), generally to support a higher number:
 * Master:
 * 58.145.190.229:
 * 58.145.190.238:
 * 103.156.176.54:

Changing the "as of" date of population figures, contrary to the source(s):
 * Master:
 * 103.109.58.82: (The second source is dated 2020)

Semi-protection of Bangladeshi diaspora would be helpful. As for the IPs, on the one hand, temporary blocks might help. They've been bolder than the master, also editing Bangladeshis and Bengalis. I haven't checked those edits yet, but they are likely as unhelpful as their diaspora ones. On the other hand, the editing hops from one IP to another fairly frequently, seldom returning to a previous IP, so blocking them might have little effect.

Badsanta69 has stated that English is not their first language. Some of their sourcing blunders have been clangers, such as mistaking the number of foreigners in the city of Sapporo for the number of Bangladeshis in Japan, and confusing the number of Indonesians in Bangladesh with the number of Bangladeshis in Indonesia. Translation tools can turn pages into word salad, and I can imagine someone dependent on such tools making these mistakes. If their fluency is very low, they may never understand and acknowledge that what they're doing is problematic, and never be able to collaborate effectively. -- Worldbruce (talk) 23:13, 7 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Today, Badsanta69 wrote "Okay now unblock my ip please" on Talk:Bangladeshi diaspora. If by "Okay" they mean:
 * Yes, they tried to evade their block by editing without signing in, but they now understand why that was wrong and why their editing before their block was disruptive. They promise not to behave the same way again. And they either accept the rationale laid out at Talk:Bangladeshi diaspora, or at least will discuss it rather than ignoring it.
 * Then I have no objection to them being unblocked. The blocking admin,, (or any other admin) will probably want Badsanta69 to make their unblock request in the right place and say more than "Okay" so that it's clear that Badsanta69 grasps the relevant policies and guidelines. --Worldbruce (talk) 23:41, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

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Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * I went ahead and semi-protected Bangladeshi diaspora for three months. I'm not sure we need checkuser evidence, but I, for one, would welcome input from another admin who deals with these sorts of issues more regularly than I do on the best way to approach blocks here. The block from article space for the original user has not had the intended effect of forcing conversation in talk space.  Go  Phightins  !  23:34, 8 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Bangladeshi diaspora has another 2 months to run on its semi-protection. I also dropped uw-login on Badsanta69's talk page.  I suspect we'll be back here in a couple of months, but we'll tackle that when we get there.   -- RoySmith (talk) 21:53, 1 July 2021 (UTC)