Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Barejsha02/Archive

Suspected sockpuppets



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Please start by looking at two deletion discussions: These lead to five articles: There is also a Draft: And a sandbox Each of these is dedicated to the same circle of editors, of varying ages and pedigrees. The articles all push a set of WP:FRINGE science. Please look also at Wikiproject Physics where there is a discussion
 * Articles for deletion/Unified mechanics theory
 * Articles for deletion/Mechanothermodynamics
 * Mechanothermodynamics
 * Tribo-fatigue
 * Troppy effect
 * Ductile iron with special properties
 * Unified mechanics theory
 * Draft:Generalized law of friction
 * User:Shifan Cheng/sandbox

I am relying on behavioural evidence, especially at AfD, rather than diffs, but there is a need for CU since some of these have sprung up recently to make comments at AfD, please

Some of the alleged sock farm are editors of articles, others simply contribute to AfD, at least two !voting in the same format

I appreciate that at least one of these is stale. Fiddle  Faddle  13:07, 14 April 2021 (UTC)


 * I have just made two additions. The overall case is confusing me somewhat. I have added Bona85 who edits alongside the putative sockmaster, and William7019 who edits in the stream with Cemalbasaran. A clerking challenge is that it has been suggested to me in this diff by that this ought to be two SPIs, now. That may well be correct, and I apologise to our clerk if so.
 * Equally, I think this may be a creafully orchestrated sock/meat campaign to try to make each article and draft they are workng on gain credibility for each/one of the others.
 * Please accept my apologies for the confusion I am suspect this will cause Fiddle   Faddle  16:34, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Comments by other users
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 * My concern is . That's named after a real person at the centre of these articles.  I have a worry that that is someone else giving the real person a bad name. Uncle G (talk) 13:37, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
 * , as far as I know, the usual procedure there is to softblock (uw-ublock-wellknown) people whose username matches the name of an article subject (at least if their editing patterns lead to impersonation concerns), pending verification through OTRS. Blablubbs&#124;talk 13:44, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm leaving making the decision up to someone else, because I've actually been in the discussion with that account and I'd much prefer an independent third set of eyes to make it. There's no doubt from Special:Diff/1017639373 that the account-holder is claiming to be this person.  Uncle G (talk) 13:56, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I've reported to UAA. Blablubbs&#124;talk 13:59, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
 * There's also, who showed up in the AfD to make a personal attack (since removed), and whose IP geolocates to Buffalo, New York, where Basaran works. It's difficult to shake the impression that off-wiki canvassing has occurred. XOR&#39;easter (talk) 14:49, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
 * As Fiddle   Faddle  mentioned above, I believe these are two independent sock groups:
 * 1)  and, that edit on Mechanothermodynamics-related articles.
 * ,, , and , that edit on Unified mechanics theory-related articles.
 * I don't see any overlap between them, even if the content of the articles is somewhat similar. Tercer (talk) 17:18, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * Based on the interaction timeline, I only have enough evidence to run Tragab and Cemalbasaran; these users are ✅.  ~Oshwah~  (talk) (contribs)   16:48, 14 April 2021 (UTC)


 * (edit conflict with Tercer) I think all of the accounts here are somehow related. Seeing how and  both mark all their edits as minor and have an inordinate amount of overlap on Tribo-fatigue considering Bona's low edit count, they are likely the same person. I suspect there are two groups at play here, with the second cluster being William7019/Tragab/Cemalsaran given edit summary similarities, shared interest in the topic cluster and the overlap, indirect overlap on Articles for deletion/Unified mechanics theory (William posted to the talk page, Tragab to the main AfD ). This appears to be either sock- or meatpuppetry, and the link is clear enough to warrant a check of the others and looking for sleepers. Also noting that , which belongs to the Indian Institute of Technology, has overlap with this group and may be one of the suspects here logged out.  – please also compare William7019 to Tragab and Cemalsaran, Bona85 to Barejsha02, and the two groups to each other. No comment on Cheng from my side for now – they are long stale and the question appears mostly academic; I'll look in more depth once we have more CU information. Blablubbs&#124;talk 17:20, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
 * To clarify: My suspicion of a (likely MEATy) link between groups 1 and 2 is based on the fact that the IP above is Indian and overlaps with group 2 (Tragab et al.) quite heavily, while Bareshja02 and Bona85's timecards are consistent with India/UTC+0530 while those of group 1 are consistent with the US. I may be completely off the mark here though, it's mostly a hunch. I suspect that either way, CU will show that the groups edit from different continents. Blablubbs&#124;talk 17:43, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ (Group 1):
 * (Group 1):
 * ✅ (Group 2):
 * - no available data:
 *  ~Oshwah~  (talk) (contribs)   18:12, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ (Group 2):
 * - no available data:
 *  ~Oshwah~  (talk) (contribs)   18:12, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
 * - no available data:
 *  ~Oshwah~  (talk) (contribs)   18:12, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
 *  ~Oshwah~  (talk) (contribs)   18:12, 14 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks. – please block everyone indefinitely; group 1 is votestacking, group 2 is extensively editing the same articles to promote people and ideas. The IP is either sock or meat – please block it for a week. Cheng has been stale for too long to action, so leaving that account alone. On another Cheng-related note: They created both the article about Cemal Basaran, and this sandbox, which mentions Basaran and Leonid Sosnovskiy in the infobox, right next to each other; Sosnovskiy is extensively cited in Troppy effect, which was created by group 2, which also wrote this draft about him. That seems to suggest another link, but it doesn't really matter because behaviourally, there are two groups here. I'll split into two cases once the blocks are done. Thanks and best,  Blablubbs&#124;talk 18:34, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
 * It would help to split first so the block logs point to the correct SPIs, . Cabayi (talk) 09:16, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
 * , good point, didn't think about that. Group 1 is now at Sockpuppet investigations/Cemalbasaran. Best, Blablubbs&#124;talk 10:45, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Group2 (Barejsha02 & Bona85) indeffed & tagged. Colsing, Cabayi (talk) 21:28, 15 April 2021 (UTC)