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11 May 2011

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This reverted User:Fountainviewkid's reversion of User:BelloWello's edit. Need CU for confirmation. It should be noted that BelloWello was brought up to ANI about canvassing before.Jasper Deng (talk) 23:07, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

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''Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.'' I don't know what it means to be a sock. I just came because my friend  posted on facebook that people were trying to add stuff about my friends grandpa. Tatababy (talk) 23:16, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
 * You were probably a victim of canvassing then.Jasper Deng (talk) 23:18, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Hello all, I do not know who Tatababy is. Apparently she/he saw a recent post on my facebook. This is not a case of canvassing. I just noted my frustration on facebook at people blindly reverting my edit to the Southern Adventist University article. The post has no comments and has now been deleted. Note that I did not know any of my friends were active on wikipedia (and still don't know who Tata is) and that my friends are generally quite conservative adventists (who would label Cottrell as progressive, meaning that if it was canvassing (which it was not) it would be canvassing the wrong side from my perspective). Beyond that, this is not canvassing. b  W  23:26, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
 * It may have not been by you, BelloWello, but by someone else. Also please explain why this user undid Fountainviewkid's revert of your edit.Jasper Deng (talk) 23:28, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
 * The user said it was from my profile. I cannot explain someone else's edits. I deleted the post, but it was saying something like "God damn idiots keep trying to call Cottrell a progressive on Southern wikipedia page, they don't know what it means" or something. It was not a call to action, just a vent of frustration like I usually do on facebook.  b  W  23:36, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

I didn't know. Sorry. I'm going to sleep cause this is dumb. Tatababy (talk) 23:31, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, I removed the attempted outing and have requested oversight. Hopefully, that will be done soon.  b  W  23:27, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
 * @Tata, whoever you are (and I don't want to know), pretty much I don't want people on here to know my real name, so please don't post it, okay? Someone should come remove it soon. Thanks! :)  b  W  23:29, 11 May 2011 (UTC)


 * I concur with Jasper and recommend checkuser: Tatababy's edits are not strictly reminiscent of canvassing but actually show deception with a few other edits to hide intent. Someone who was straightforward-canvassed wouldn't have made the trivial edits but would have cut a direct path to the article. Recommend looking for sleepers....I think this one may be revealing. ⋙–Berean–Hunter—►  ((⊕)) 00:12, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I second request for check user between myself and Tata. I note, also, that I have disclosed my previous account to two seperate admins. If you do look for sleepers, please DO NOT connect this account with my previous account. I will be happy to disclose that account to the check user.  b  W  00:20, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
 * In your previous account, were you ever found to be socking? ...or have significant blocks? Just one account, right? I hope the previous account has been indeffed as a precaution against WP:GOTHACKED, if this was a clean start. ⋙–Berean–Hunter—►  ((⊕)</b>) 00:59, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Two other accounts, legitimate use of alternative accounts. I'm not going to answer anything else about these accounts in public. This wasn't a clean start so much as I didn't want my real life identity attached to everything after an outing incident.  b  W  01:17, 12 May 2011 (UTC)


 * By the way, can Tatababy please confirm we don't go to the same school? I usually don't, but I have in the past edited from school... I guess from the times she posted school wouldn't go going though so it should be okay.  b  W  19:19, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Odd. here Bello Wello and User:Fountainviewkid take opposite positions in a debate on May 11.I.Casaubon (talk) 11:32, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

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 * - This case now involves ANI, so I'm endorsing to clarify what's going on here. BelloWello has requested that their previous account not be mentioned in the results. —  Hello Annyong  (say whaaat?!) 13:49, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
 * , based on mobile IPs. Dominic·t 21:27, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
 * It does seem a bit off that BelloWello would out himself through Tatababy. I don't know. Either way, the sock account has falled inactive for now, so I'm closing with no further action. —  Hello Annyong  (say whaaat?!) 12:48, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

20 May 2011

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With BelloWello blocked recently, this user has returned to the same kind of activity that got him/her in the previous SPI. Jasper Deng (talk) 23:06, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

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 * - This was checked before but came back inconclusive due to mobile accounts. Can we run it again to see if that's still true? —  Hello Annyong  (say whaaat?!) 23:27, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, same as before. –MuZemike 17:00, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

14 June 2011

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What first caught my eye was the addition of a blog by Giovanni Hashimoto. IP demonstrates familiarity with WP policies. Invoking WP:NOTDIRECTORY is a signature of Bello. But for Bello's relationship to banned user Tatababy, I wouldn't have reported this. I could be way off base, but better safe that sorry. Lionel (talk) 04:28, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

The IP has also been doing some tag-bombing, which Bello has been warned about previously. Even though the IP is familiar with WP policies, they adhere to the peculiar, mistaken belief that self-pub sources cannot speak about themselves, to which Bello also subscribes. This article was nominated for AfD by WikiManOne and deleted. It was recreated and then AfDed by Bello, and deleted again. Recreated again and speedied by Bello. I just noticed in addition to the IP a couple "experienced" new editors have been adding poorly sourced content about derogatory homosexuality to the article.Lionel (talk) 05:14, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

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I'm sorry, but checkuser will generally not disclose connections between named accounts and IPs. TN <b style="color:midnightblue; font-size:larger;">X</b> Man 13:19, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I've blocked the IP for three days. —  Hello Annyong  (say whaaat?!) 20:00, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

03 July 2011

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IPs style, edit sums, aggressiveness, articles edited, disruption all strikingly similar to Bello. Mere coincidence does not explain this. – Lionel (talk) 01:31, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

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 * The IP has cited the real life blog of BelloWello. The same is true of, already blocked as a sockpuppet by Brandon, who has not so far named the suspected puppet master. In real life BelloWello campaigns for the democrats in Albemarle County, Virginia, so it is possible that Letsgocrazytogether is an alternative account of BelloWello. Mathsci (talk) 03:06, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
 * This seems to simply be a continuation of Lionelt's battleground mentality, which spilled out in this discussion. It is also shown by a reversion of a good edit I made, which was pointed out here. In short, I do not believe that I have been treated in good faith by Lionelt, and Mathsci and Fountainviewkid who appear to be ze's buddies, and do not believe this battleground complaint has any merit. 50.72.159.224 (talk) 05:35, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I also note that there have been a large number of other IPs active in certain discussions, leading an Admin to comment that "in this case it appears to me that the unregistered editors have more clue than some of the registered ones." Either way, I am through. I may, or may not, come back to reply to this and other discussions I have taken part in. Congratulations! 50.72.159.224 (talk) 05:37, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
 * The IP is attempting to muddy the water. Regarding the diff, the editor at AfD wrote, "make certain you're not turning this into a battleground." The editor did not declare a battleground. I accord every editor good faith until they edit war or edit tendentiously.– Lionel (talk) 06:55, 3 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I do not edit any of the articles that the IP edits but have watched their edits. I am not a "buddy" of Lionelt or Fountainviewkid. The familiarity with wikipedia procedures shows that the IP is not a new editor. He has three times reported Fountainviewkid at noticeboards (twice at WP:AN3 and once at WP:WQA), targeting which reflects BelloWello's own editing characteristics. He edits at great speed and relentlessly. The tag bombing of the Pipim article requesting changes while protected is an example. The bluster in the comments here also fits BelloWello fairly well. It is hard to explain how, just after BelloWello's account seems to have been abandoned on June 10, similar editing has happened subsequently in two distinct areas of BelloWello's known real life interests—SDA articles (start date June 15 ) and the Democrat party in Virginia (start date June 17 ). Mathsci (talk) 07:14, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks to Jclemens for running a checkuser on the two separate accounts. Mathsci (talk) 07:44, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Hear hear! Appreciate the quick and decisive action. – Lionel (talk) 08:12, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

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 * ✅ that IP address is Letsgocrazytogether. Wikistalk supports the identity of Letsgocrazytogether as previously sanctioned users BelloWello and WikiManOne.  Underlying IP blocked two weeks. I've left BelloWello unblocked if he chooses to return there for one, final chance at editing collegially and collaboratively, but will lose no sleep if someone else decides to indef that account as well. Jclemens (talk) 07:41, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, and blocked User:Dumler for Supervisor as ✅ as well. Jclemens (talk) 07:43, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I say leave BW unblocked for one more chance. —  Hello Annyong  (say whaaat?!) 13:06, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

08 July 2011

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IP address is making seemingly disruptive edits at Samuel Koranteng-Pipim, the same article that was the focus of another of BelloWello's socks, making similar types of edits. Edit summaries like "remove contentious info about a living person per the policy on biographies of living persons" suggests that the editor is very familiar with Wikipedia's policies. SudoGhost&trade; 01:08, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Both IPs made "Bello-ish" edits to today. This IP made the same kinds of edits yesterday and was blocked as Bello.  Will Beback   talk    01:30, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

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 * I've protected some articles, and I've blocked 198.228.224.0/23 for a week. —  Hello Annyong  (say whaaat?!) 02:03, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

08 July 2011

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IP's issues with mission statements and accredidation betray his true identity as Bello; per WP:DUCK – Lionel (talk) 20:40, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

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 * Especially this edit.--Fountainviewkid (talk) 22:51, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

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 * IP blocked 1 month. —  Hello Annyong  (say whaaat?!) 04:12, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

02 September 2011

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This list is not exhaustive, since there is a lot of IP hopping. That this is BelloWello seems clear per WP:DUCK. Same article, same point of view, same edit warring on the talk page, similar repetitious set of requests for edits under semiprotaction as when the article was fully protected, same pattern of reporting Fountainviewkid at WP:AN3 and same geographical location as BelloWello. It is not clear what can be done, apart from semiprotecting Talk:Southern Adventist University. Mathsci (talk) 10:36, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your help, HelloAnnyong. Mathsci (talk) 22:09, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

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 * It's a bit extreme, but I've blocked 75.243.0.0/16 and 75.192.0.0/16 each for three days. And I've blocked 75.197.106.247 for a week. —  Hello Annyong  (say whaaat?!) 22:06, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

10 September 2011

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Same range as previously blocked IP (2 Sept). Made edits typical of BelloWello to Southern Adventist University almost as soon as semiprotection was lifted. Mathsci (talk) 04:33, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Kubigula. Mathsci (talk) 04:56, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

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 * This quacks to me, think that a longer term semi-protection on Southern Adventist University may be the best way to handle this, I have asked at User Talk:HJ Mitchell as he was the last administrator to protect the page. Mt  king <sup style="color:gold;"> (edits)  04:56, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

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 * Pretty clearly the same user; I've blocked the IP for three days.-- Kubigula (talk) 04:52, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

23 November 2011

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Adding content to wikipedia posted yesterday on the web by Giovanni Hashimoto, who has been confirmed as the operator of this community banned account. Mathsci (talk) 23:25, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
 * He has relocated this academic year to Pacific Union College, California. (There is at least one named account that is probably him.) In the past, his sockpuppets have cited his blogged material. Adding this material to multiple articles one day after it appeared is WP:DUCK. Mathsci (talk) 23:51, 23 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment A second IP  appears to be the same editor as the first.  He has edited Southwestern Adventist University removing POV content from the lede added by ipsocks of BelloWello ( and ). So on balance this is more likely to be another user. Mathsci (talk) 05:21, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

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 * Hm, I'm not sure. BelloWello's IPs generally geolocated to Virginia, Ohio and Michigan. This one is in California. Adding links to Hashimoto's stuff isn't necessarily indicative that it's him - it could very well be someone who agrees with his writings and decided to add them here. —  Hello Annyong  (say whaaat?!) 23:43, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I've blocked 64.134.223.252 for a week. The other IPs are just stale enough for me to not do anything. —  Hello Annyong  (say whaaat?!) 04:09, 28 November 2011 (UTC)