Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Beyoncetan/Archive

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Here's an odd one. Any time someone edits someone else's user space it's weird; I looked further after seeing this, Jus1kiss editing User:Starrystar542/live, and there you go, following Jus1Kiss's edits shows a bunch of editors were all over each other, enough to warrant CU, which confirmed this slew of editors who are undoubtedly CU-confirmed. I think Beyoncetan is the oldest, but there's so many I may have missed one. Behavioral evidence agrees as well; the interests are common, and the way in which they edit (look at the naming of the subpages) confirms it. Now, here's the question: Beyoncetan has been here for a long time, and it is not quite clear to me what they were trying to achieve, so I can't really decide what our response ought to be: this calls for an administrative decision, and you get to make it. And while you're at it--what to do with all these subpages that seem to go nowhere into article space? Drmies (talk) 04:24, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

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''Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.'' Hello everybody, sorry for replying late, I've just found out about this page minutes ago. Yes, all of the accounts above are mine, except for Nguyễn Tùng Sơn Trịnh and the three IPs from Berean Hunter. Like I've said to User:Drmies on my Saphina123 talk page, I created accounts to write articles because I've felt uninspired and stuck when I was writing as one account. Other than that, I do not have any bad intention (edit wars, spam, voting etc). I surely didn't try to hide anything, I thought I was quite open about it on my Jus1kiss page (this is where I collected all of my drafts from the accounts so that I can edit them more easier).

I'm sorry if I've costed your time worrying about this problem. P/S 1: Before you guys delete my accounts can you give me one day to save all of my drafts to Microsoft Word? Thank you and again, I'm truly sorry. P/S 2: Thank you for your email and I'm sorry I couldn't reply to it sooner. Beyoncetan (talk) 08:05, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments
— Berean Hunter   (talk)  15:40, 19 September 2017 (UTC) — Berean Hunter   (talk)  23:38, 19 September 2017 (UTC) — Berean Hunter   (talk)  23:45, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I also noticed the editing of other accounts' userspace and ran a check. Yes, that's the oldest account, and yes, they're all ✅ to one another. ​—DoRD (talk)​ 13:58, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I've emailed the master asking them to respond.
 * I've dropped notes on a few talk pages, but this is the only activity that I see. Drmies (talk) 20:31, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Glad you reported that, you've got something new to check. based on this and the fact that it is a word-for-word recreation. Compare this version to Saphina's version.
 * Ha, that will have to be decided on behavior--the edits are too old for CU, and I found nothing under this account. Thanks User:Berean Hunter. Drmies (talk) 23:43, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Huh? Look again...not stale.
 * Nguyễn Tùng Sơn Trịnh is . ​—DoRD (talk)​ 02:34, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Berean, DoRD looked at technical evidence between the various accounts, no doubt--they have an expertise I don't have. If I confirm a sock via CU it's always 100%; I have no skills to identify "likely" or "possible". Drmies (talk) 02:37, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

— Berean Hunter   (talk)  00:06, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Adding these for the record:
 * Yes. Those three top edits from 5 September, and one trivial one from the IP. Drmies (talk) 00:09, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I have nothing exciting to report on those, Berean. sorry. Drmies (talk) 00:12, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

— Berean Hunter   (talk)  12:12, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
 * , has the jury reached a decision? I'm asking also because I ran into Saphina123 again, who was making all kinds of fan edits. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 15:42, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
 * WP:ALTACCN makes it clear that you should have had the accounts linked and there is something that doesn't ring true about your rationale for multiple accounts. Three of the above accounts were created on August 25. Uninspired three times in one day? Also, you log into these different accounts interchangeably without a seeming loss to your inspiration. I'm indeffing and tagging the sock accounts. I suspect that the subpages are being used as a webhost. It would be interesting if we could see the referrer logs concerning what links to those pages from the web...fansite(s)? Blocking master 24 hours and closing. Needless to say, if you have any remaining accounts then you will need to make it clear by linking them clearly to your main account.

— Berean Hunter   (talk)  13:12, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
 * based on User talk:123.21.20.127/draft‎.
 * I have something to tell you.


 * 1) About my “fan edits”, I’ve explained them to Drmies (please take a careful look at this talk page and at these edit summaries). All of the edits have their own editorial reasons, for the content and to construct a standard/neutral article, not because I was a "fan" or any other nonsense reasons. Check them.
 * 2) And what did you mean by saying I “log into these different accounts interchangeably without a seeming loss to [my] inspiration”? I’ve told you that my drafts were on different accounts, so I had to log in to edit them. After a few times doing that, I’ve gotten tired and that explain why I collected drafts from the different accounts onto one page (User:Jus1kiss) to easily edit them. You can look at their Histories, whatever account I was on I used it to directly edit the user pages/drafts. If the sock puppets were made for bad intention, I wouldn’t have collected drafts from the different accounts onto one page and used accounts to directly edit on different user pages. Leaving traces for you to find them all out and delete them faster???
 * 3) Thirdly, I didn’t use them as webhosts. Once again, I’ve told you they were my drafts. I’ve used this method for many articles of mine: Creating a draft page, writing the article on it and then publishing the finished draft. I started doing it since September 2016, when my “The Boxer” article didn’t get its Do You Know nomination because I re-wrote it directly on the original page. Other than that, can you tell me how I could use unfinished drafts—especially drafts that have just two or three words on them—for “fan sites”??? Oh my lord, that doesn’t even make sense. And what kind of “fan site” use Wikipedia links like that as web hosts anyway? That’s really nonsense. I’ve created many drafts/subpages like that for my finished articles "The Boxer (The Chemical Brothers song)", "Creep (TLC song)" and “Kick Your Game”. (Please check the deleted draft pages) You deleted all of these finished drafts and other unfinished drafts also because of your “webhost” reasons. What were those having to do with the fan sites again?! Really, please check everything! Links, blogs, use web archives! ANYTHING that you can find! Oh my goodness!

I immediately regret telling you my personal matters when I saw you mocked them ("Uninspired three times in one day?", "...without a seeming loss to your inspiration"). I obviously didn’t know about WP:ALTACCN or about making the accounts linked. If I knew it at the very first place, I wouldn’t have lost all of my drafts now. The drafts that I’ve been working so hard on for more than a year. For more than a year. Beyoncetan (talk) 05:17, 25 September 2017 (UTC)