Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Binod Basnet/Archive

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Basically WP:DUCK. Looking at the three user's first 50 contribs , extreme similarities can be found: mobile web edit, anti-vandalism work shortly after account creation, "(Twinkle)" advert, and even the user talk page styles are the same (Binod, RHcosm, TheRedBox). Binod Basnet admitted that RHcosm is his account. ― Abelmoschus  Esculentus  10:53, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

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 * Notified both users. ― Abelmoschus  Esculentus  14:20, 19 November 2018 (UTC)


 * I am not a sockpuppet of Binod Basnet.I checked his profile and designed my talk page copying his talk page today if you want to know than i have also asked on Tea House about it here and i added some sigma bot code from  as i request him to design a userpage to him cause i  found that he have written on his userpage to contact in his talk page.   TheRedBox  (Talk) 14:22, 19 November 2018 (UTC)


 * I thought you like a friend cause you provided me my first branstar for my vandalism work and felt so good to have a user like you but you turned out to be a villain.  TheRedBox  (Talk) 14:25, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
 * How? I was just trying to do the appropriate thing... I know it will hurt. ― Abelmoschus  Esculentus  14:29, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Also please answer Bbb23's questions. ― Abelmoschus  Esculentus  14:29, 19 November 2018 (UTC)


 * As i told you i am not a sock of Binod Basnet yes i copied his talk page cause i wanted to decorate my talk page even i asked to create my archive to on Wikipedia Tea House. Binod is far more experienced editor than me. I am still learning and i'm still confuse here about whi fle a spi investigation.   TheRedBox  (Talk) 14:40, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Then why did you welcome back Binod without prior interaction with him? ― Abelmoschus  Esculentus  14:42, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
 * As looking into rollbackers i know many peoples and while stalking his profile i found he is recently active like adter me you too welcomed him right.  TheRedBox  (Talk) 14:50, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
 * ”Recently active”? Binod has not been editing since September, and you are not active at that time. ― Abelmoschus  Esculentus  14:56, 19 November 2018 (UTC)


 * I used to look at his profile and other rollbackers profile like shellwood, Girth sumit, Jim1118, 1997kb and few otherrs i always use to stalk other profile as i also wanted to be honor with that privillage as u can find my vandal edits and before as he was pending changes rev and rollbacker and he was retired to due to some case which i found in his talk page you guys were discussing about and the day when i welcomed him (the first thing which i do looking at user profile is check there edit history) and he was editing that day so i welcomed him, when you wlecomed him i even replied u cause he redirected his another account and i said yes its his account to u too that time.  TheRedBox  (Talk) 15:03, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Wow you’re a great stalker ;) Seems there is no direct relationship between Binod and TheRedBox presumably, but I wonder why Binod used another account to edit. Maybe because Swarm revoked his AP right and caused him to abandon the account? ― Abelmoschus  Esculentus  15:20, 19 November 2018 (UTC)


 * and i learned few things from nick moyes editor whom i find i wikipedia tea house. i dont knnow to dig old links like u bujt you can find that on tea house history. and i am amazed that i can't even welcome back a user in wikipedia? I copied that butterfly gif from one user kgghjj or what, small small parts from other users so u will bring all in sockpuppet here? that's not a good idea, i'm countering vandalism without sleeping and this is my award? You rewarded me this??   TheRedBox  (Talk) 15:14, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Kid, please calm down. You’ve done nothing wrong (but more sleep is good for your health). I am just trying to find the truth, and to do that we need to ask questions. You are not prohibited to welcome a returned user. I asked the question because I have suspicion. As you’ve provided a pretty decent justification for that, I assume you are correct for now. To be clear, a sockpuppet investigation page is not a reward. As I’ve explained in your talk page, this is a place for dealing with serious stuff.
 * On a different note, I suggest you to focus more on anti-vandalism work rather than wasting time designing your userpage (after all it is not important at all) ― Abelmoschus  Esculentus  15:33, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Two months ago one user accused me that I didn't know about reliable sources. I was so frustrated by his comments and an administrator revoked my autopatrolled right just because of that user's comments. I was frustrated and decided to stop editing from this account and created RHcosm and started editing. I did email to Arbitration committee asking whether I should mention my old account to new account's Userpage or not. One member of the committee replied telling there is no need to mention old account so I didn't. But now I decided to use my old account so I redirected new account to this account and clearly mentioned that I previously used RHcosm. I am not TheRedBox. My intention is not to harm Wikipedia and I can't do so because I love Wikipedia. -- Binod Basnet  (talk)  16:44, 19 November 2018 (UTC)


 * I am generally dealing with recent changes that may be the reason of the large intersection of pages. -- Binod Basnet  (talk)  02:25, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I won't use other accounts in future. Creating RHcosm was my mistake. Please don't block me. -- Binod Basnet  (talk)  16:24, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
 * when is it closed? -- Binod Basnet  (talk)  11:07, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much. I will use this account only. In the past creating RHcosm was my big mistake. Thanks again. -- Binod Basnet  (talk)  16:38, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments
Please notify and  of this report on their Talk pages. I'm not blaming you for not having done so as it is not required, but in this instance I'd like to hear from the users. In particular, I'd like to know why Binod stopped editing with their main account and edited with a different account and why they swapped back to the main account. As far as I can tell, the two accounts have never been declared as alternative accounts. Finally, I'd like to hear from the users whether TheRedBox is a separate account or also related in some way. In particular, why did TheRedBox welcome back Binod and redirect pages in their userspace?--Bbb23 (talk) 14:17, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation. I have a few follow-up questions: Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:57, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
 * 1) Which member of the arbitration committee replied to you?
 * 2) Do you know why TheRedBox welcomed you back and (improperly) redirected pages in your userspace?
 * 3) Even if TheRedBox is not your sock, do you know the person in real life?
 * Thanks for the response. Your questions are replied here.


 * 1) BU Rob13
 * 2) I don't know why he welcomed me back. For second part I really don't know which pages he redirected to my userspace. If you are talking about User:Binod, User:Basnet and User:Basnet Binod then I redirected them to my user page because they are similar to my user name.
 * 3) I don't know him in real life.-- Binod Basnet   (talk)  18:27, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Not that I don't believe Binod Basnet, but,, can you please confirm what Binod Basnet said about you? Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:31, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
 * For the information I mailed from RHcosm account. -- Binod Basnet  (talk)  18:43, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
 * please can you tell me what redirects you are talking about. May I know? TheRedBox has left a message on my talk page saying he doesn't even know how to redirect.-- Binod Basnet  (talk)  19:11, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I was going by my memory, and my memory is flawed. AFAICT now, TheRedBox did not do any redirects of your userpages; you did. Apologies.--Bbb23 (talk) 19:19, 19 November 2018 (UTC)


 * I can confirm this clean start was disclosed to the Arbitration Committee. That is the extent to which the Arbitration Committee is involved in alternative accounts. I explicitly noted to RHcosm that the Arbitration Committee does not determine whether a clean start is proper or not, and that it was the responsibility of the editor to ensure they do not use the alternative account for illegitimate purposes. A quote from what I sent them that addresses this and what was written above: "In particular, please be sure to avoid any past conflicts or disputes entirely and avoid editing pages that you previously edited if at all possible. ... I don't see a reason you would need to disclose this publicly so long as you don't continue any past conflicts or otherwise give the impression the two accounts are different people editing the same page or discussion." ~ Rob 13 Talk 19:40, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much. -- Binod Basnet  (talk)  19:47, 19 November 2018 (UTC)


 * I am not convinced that a clean start in this instance was "proper". The intersection of pages is very large. For the moment, I have indefinitely blocked RHcosm without tags. Regardless of any sanctions against Binod Basnet, the second account should be blocked. At the same time, I am asking for input, particularly from clerks, about whether (1) the clean start was valid and (2) even if it was invalid, do sanctions make sense at this point? I'm going to ping a few clerks to see if one or more has the time to look at these issues: .--Bbb23 (talk) 20:50, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Unrelated to Binod Basnet, I've blocked and tagged TheRedBox as a ✅ sock of .--Bbb23 (talk) 23:09, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
 * The sequence of events is a bit hard to follow, but I don't think I would call this sockpuppetry (which in my view requires intent; some prominent Wikipedians disagree). It's a failed clean start so whether it was valid or not seems irrelevant. Binod Basnet has purposely or cluelessly revealed the connection many different ways, so much so that it boggles the mind to think any of this was intentional evasion of scrutiny. They should not have been editing the same pages with both accounts nor with both accounts simultaneously (I can't quite follow if that's what happened) but if I were deciding this case I would chalk this whole thing up to inexperience, and advise Binod Basnet to stick to one account from now on and seek help from more experienced editors (or admins) if they have difficulties with another user again. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 12:34, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Please take 's advice to heart. Closing with no further action.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:32, 23 November 2018 (UTC)