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20 March 2016

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Onegyrol08 did exactly the same crazy reverts as Bolgital... on a lot of South Tyrolean municipalities, although his first account (Bolgitialianissimo..., a very telling name by the way) has been blocked with an expiration time of indefinite by User:DoRD. The second name Onegyrol08 seems to mimic and to be after my own one (bartleby08) Bartleby08 (talk) 08:29, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

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first: i'm not Bolgitaletc, a checkuser can verify my ip isn't the same than his, i didn't even know about his existence before you mentioned him

second: my edits are just made for reverting your vandalisms, i want to repeat and underline, vandalisms, because you're just removing content without reason, lots of italian cities have their phonetic transcription in ipa, including bolzano and other cities from alto adige, that's what you call crazy edits

third: i've created my account when i saw your vandalisms, i could just revert them without creating accounts, but i've preferred doing it as a registered user, with a name similar to yours to sharpen that, and again i'm not Bolgitaletc and i've just undone your vandalisms, but if the fact that we edited the same pages after months is considered a valid reason to block my account, which i don't care about, i'll just keep reverting your vandalisms as an ip user

fourth: i wasn't measly enough to instantly report you for vandalisms after you removed the contents again, i'm sorry for ascertaining the same can't be said for you, who immedialtely created this page and reported me to a checkuser in order to have me blocked so that you may be able to keep with your vandalisms, now i know what kind of person you are, now i won't scruple to report you any more, vandal — Preceding unsigned comment added by Onegyrol08 (talk • contribs) 09:30, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

i'm replying to your doubts, there's no need to hide anything or to ask Bartleby08: Sulden is an article where the user i'm accused to be added the ipa in italian, and after Bartleby08 had undone that edit without reason i reverted this vandalism, so that my edit is the same as Bolgitaletc, the history confirms that and i'm not afraid of saying it even if i know this worsens the suspects about me, if you think i'm that blocked user you're free to block my account too, i've created it just to revert Bartleby08's vandalisms and i won't use it for anything else but that, one thing i want and it's that he stops removing contents because it's senseless vandalism

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 * - In order to facilitate and expedite your request, please provide diffs to support your case. Please give two or more diffs meeting the following format:
 * 1) At least one diff is from the sockmaster (or an account already blocked as a confirmed sockpuppet of the sockmaster), showing the behaviour characteristic of the sockmaster.
 * 2) At least one diff per suspected sockpuppet, showing the suspected sockpuppet emulating the behaviour of the sockmaster given in the first diff.
 * 3) In situations where it is not immediately obvious from the diffs what the characteristic behaviour is, a short explanation must be provided. Around one sentence is enough for this.  Vanjagenije   (talk)  12:33, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
 * - Please, compare those two accounts (see: ).  Vanjagenije  (talk)  00:31, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
 * A couple of points. First, it's easy to see why Onegyrol08 is so confident above that his IP differs from Bolgitalianissimano; every single IP he used to edit is a confirmed proxy. Second, the other available checkuser data shows a connection between the two accounts and I've blocked Onegyro108 accordingly.-- Jezebel's Ponyo bons mots  18:56, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Tagging and closing.  Vanjagenije  (talk)  23:04, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

26 April 2016

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Follow-up to.

The same user has returned as a troll, who stalks me and removes pieces of infomation I added in articles:, ,. He does so in line with what he anounced on de.wikipedia, where he vandalised my user page, in order to inform me about his "deletion plans". We are dealing with the same guy, who had threatened me with "an eternal stalking, for an indefinite period of time, from me at your expense" some time ago.

Apart from sporadic appearances with proper accounts, the user is constantly operating with various proxy IPs, in order to escape sanctions. In the past he had used for example:



Right now he's switching quite quickly from IP to IP, deleting as many of my additions as possible.

Whenever an IP gets blocked, the user pops up with a new proxy. It seems quite obvious to me that we are dealing with an ... obsessive behaviour from a person, who is willing to invest huge amounts of time for the sake of destruction. After several experiences with that troll (i RETURNED. fvck you...), I can confirm that simple reverts and blocks of the current IPs won't do the job, considering his impressive eagerness to bypass direct sanctions via socks or fresh proxies. Therefore I recomend a semi-protection of all affected pages, that is wherever the IPs from the list above were active today. Mai-Sachme (talk) 11:00, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

I reverted the trolls' deletions now, since they are entirely unjustified. overdetermined/asymmetric is not a valid explanation for getting rid of a German IPA-transcription of a German place name. I'm keen to see, how my stalker reacts. I guess, reverts would be a good trigger for semi-protection of the affected pages. --Mai-Sachme (talk) 21:04, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

Newest batch of proxies: --Mai-Sachme (talk) 17:58, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

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I am the accused user. I had an account named Onegyrol08 which had already been blocked because of another Italian user from Alto Adige, Bartleby08. I was accused to be a different user who was blocked for reasons I do not know, Bolgitalianissimano, and now I am still being accused of being that user. Even then, as I do now, I did not care about my account or IP possible block. The only thing I care about is stopping a destructive behaviour from this couple of germanophile separatists. Here is the story:

The user I was accused to be added some time ago the Italian pronunciation (IPA) in several articles about Italian towns from Alto Adige. Nothing wrong obviously. After he had been blocked, and not for such edits, user Bartleby08 deleted one by one ALL of these edits of his. I saw after some time that the pages had no more IPAs, I created the account Onegyrol08 with a similar name and restored all the IPAs. Bartleby08 managed to have me blocked accusing me to be Bolgitalianissimano, which I AM NOT, so that he could be free to remove all the IPAs again. I restored the edits one more time as an IP user, I thought he had understood his behaviour was wrong, but recently he restarted deleting the contents. His justification is that towns from Alto Adige have also a German name so adding only Italian pronunciation would be "asymmetric". I told him that he should add German IPAs instead of removing Italian, and I saw that he started doing that, so this story could end.

Alas, it was not the end. Yesterday night user Mai-Sachme, who clearly has the other user's same independentist opinions and who suggested him to just ignore me because I am a troll who loves making others waste time or something like that, started adding German IPAs to each single town of Alto Adige and worked over it from half past 9 p.m. to almost midnight (Italian time). I do not just wonder where those German IPAs come from, since they contradict Help:IPA for German conventions and they are unsourced unlike Help:IPA for Italian where the D.O.P. and Di.P.I. dictionaries containing all the town name pronunciations are linked, but I also wonder how a person who accuses others to be obsessive and advises friends to ignore the ones he calls trolls could do what he has done. I see no coherence, no logic in this behaviour, just an enormous contradiction and the will to virtually hurt other persons, the satisfaction of knowing to be good at angering people on the Internet.

Why Bartleby08's continuous removal of Italian pronunciations was okay for him while now when I did exactly the same as Bartleby08 but for German pronunciations the first thing he did was coming here to accuse and insult me again? Hey Meister Mai-Sachme: coherence? Dignity? Under your feet or directly into the toilet?

When Bartleby08 added the German IPAs as I had told him to do I did not remove then, I also wrote on his page that Ii was happy for his decision. The fact that Mai-Sachme, instead, has wasted so much time just to do something like that is a clear indication of his intentions, of his bad faith. I am not a hypocrite like him, I have not removed even his German additions where there were already Italian IPAs, I just did the same as Bartleby08, removing German IPAs where the situation was "asymmetric". But this time I am a troll while Bartleby08 was absolutely right to remove Italian IPAs before. Do you see the so called double standard? Do you see who is the nationalist here?

I am not Bolgitalianissimano, I am repeating it forever, I am not him, I swear. But neither I am interested if you do not trust me, I came here not to defend myself from this liar's false accusations but to alert you admins about Mai-Sachme, to let you know what is his real behaviour, to let you know what was the true story. It is not me who likes persecuting people, if Bartleby08 had not started removing the IPAs this story would have never started, and if Mai-Sachme had not done what he himself said was a trolling behaviour this story would have ended yesterday. The only thing I want is all this to end, to leave both the Italian and German IPAs where they are already or to add the missing IPA where there is only one, not to add only the German IPA because it was not done for the encyclopedy's sake but just for a personal issue against me. That is all.

Edit: about my accusator's last addition, just look at that user's contributions here and here ; whatever Bolgitalianissimano has done in the past, it is clear that neither he nor I are the same person as that troll who did nothing else than vandalising for fun pages which have nothing to do with Mai-Sachme, and I am sure Mai-Sachme himself knows it, but he also knows that one more arrow to throw is always comfortable (one just has to be careful not to throw that arrow toward oneself as in this case of evident intellectual dishonesty).


 * All that is really only and exclusively a troll's problem, in my humble opinion, and nothing more. Someone who does constantly hide his identity, never ever signing his contributions (as also above is clearly evident before our eyes), and by the way accusing others also on other wikis anonymously [], has no right at all to further stay here or to pretend his rather bizarre views being of any relevance. I would stick to all of Mai-Sachme's suggestions and support them thorougly. --Bartleby08 (talk) 18:01, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
 * All that is really only and exclusively a troll's problem, in my humble opinion, and nothing more. Someone who does constantly hide his identity, never ever signing his contributions (as also above is clearly evident before our eyes), and by the way accusing others also on other wikis anonymously [], has no right at all to further stay here or to pretend his rather bizarre views being of any relevance. I would stick to all of Mai-Sachme's suggestions and support them thorougly. --Bartleby08 (talk) 18:01, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

About this user's candid soul, have a look here:. The good Bartleby08 was blocked for a month for... SOURCE FALSIFICATION. S-O-U-R-C-E_F-A-L-S-I-F-I-C-A-T-I-O-N. Do you guess what was the matter? Alto Adige, ovbiously. And if you look at the other germanophile Italian user's talk page you can find a lot of interesting stuff, such as: editwars, page protected from him, warnings and notices, improper use of discussions, tendentious points of view (all about Alto Adige, obviously), notified by veteran Italian sysops. In the light of this, sincerely: how can anyone still trust them and believing in their good faith (also about the IPAs issue)?

I am going to restore the previous versions of the pages for the reasons I have explained above: the fact that the IPAs are unsourced, the fact they contradict the Help:IPA for German, the fact Bartleby08 did the same with the Italian IPAs but was supported by Mai-Sachme, that fact they are both acting for personal reasons and in bad faith as proven by the sysops who reproved one of them and blocked the other one. I am not doing it now, I am not obsessive like him who spent 2:30 hours till midnight for that, I will do it tomorrow.

Some more information about Mai-Sachme directly from his Italian talk page for who has not had a look yet: Etc...
 * Voice protected because of him
 * Editwar
 * Closing discussion opened to report a user (as he is doing here)
 * His talk page content removal
 * Bad approach to South Tyrol terrorism discussion
 * Improper use of talk archiviation to remove visitors' messages
 * Tendentious points of view about South Tyrol

For the Italian troll Mai-Sachme must be quite frustrating not to be taken into account despite all the time he is spending stalking me. 188.165.152.188 (talk) 18:30, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

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 * We can't really do anything here. The user changes IPs and ranges all the time, so blocking is useless. Also, I don't think it would be good idea to semi-protect hundreds of articles. I'm closing this case.  Vanjagenije  (talk)  22:26, 1 May 2016 (UTC)