Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Breathtaker/Archive

Report date May 21 2009, 15:41 (UTC)

 * Suspected sockpuppets




 * Evidence submitted by Bardin

I was not aware of Breathtaker until I had already opened this Sockpuppet investigation case against Chontamenti who I believe is the same person as Ada Kataki. Another editor below alerted me to the fact that Ada Kataki is a sockpuppet of Breathtaker rather than the sockmaster. So I'm partially rewriting this to reflect the new updated info. Hope that doesn't confuse anyone.

Both Breathtaker and Ada Kataki have been indefinitely blocked.

Ada Kataki's account was created on the same day that Breathtaker's account was blocked.

Chontamenti's account was first created on the same day that Ada Kataki received a 1 week block. After the expiry of this 1 week block, Chontamenti became dormant while Ada Kataki returned. Chontamenti became active again after Ada Kataki was given the indefinite block.

It's not really difficult to figure out that they are the same person because their entire involvement on wikipedia is limited to being a genre warrior on articles relating to gothic or industrial music.

My initial suspicion came from the edit history of the goth subculture template where the addition of the word "preferred" in front of "music" has only ever been done by Ada Kataki and now Chontamenti: first addition, second addition, third addition, fourth addition.

Other identical edits:


 * Removing gothic rock from the article on the band HIM: Ada Kataki, Chontamenti
 * Changing industrial music to heavy metal music on the article for Emilie Autumn: Ada Kataki, Chontamenti, see also Breathtaker
 * Removing industrial metal from the article on Rammstein: Ada Kataki, Chontamenti
 * Removing electro-goth from the article on L'ame Immortelle: Ada Kataki, Chontamenti
 * Removing darkwave from the article on She Wants Revenge: Ada Kataki, Chontamenti
 * Removing gothic and industrial from the article on The Birthday Massacre: Ada Kataki, Chontamenti
 * Changing darkwave to futurepop on the article for Blutengel: Breathtaker, Ada Kataki, Chontamenti
 * Removing gothic rock from the article on Malice Mizer: Ada Kataki, Chontamenti
 * Removing ethereal wave from the article on Dark Sanctuary: Ada Kataki, Chontamenti
 * Removing gothic metal from the article on Krypteria: Breathtaker, Breathtaker, Ada Kataki, Ada Kataki
 * Removing gothic rock from the article on The Cruxshadows: Breathtaker, Breathtaker, Ada Kataki
 * Redirecting the gothic music article to gothic rock: Breathtaker, Breathtaker, Breathtaker, Breathtaker, Breathtaker, Ada Kataki, Ada Kataki, Ada Kataki, Ada Kataki

Etc.

All of that are grounds for suspicion but I became convinced that the two are the same when I noticed that they employ a similar vocabulary in their edit summary. In particular, the phrase "has nothing to do with" is something commonly found: Other similar terms include:
 * Breathtaker: 1, 2, 3, 4,
 * Ada Kataki: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, etc.
 * Chontamenti: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10
 * nonsense: Ada Kataki, Ada Kataki, Ada Kataki, Ada Kataki, Ada Kataki, Ada Kataki, Chontamenti, Chontamenti, Chontamenti
 * "there is no": Ada Kataki, Ada Kataki, Ada Kataki, Ada Kataki, Ada Kataki, Chontamenti, Chontamenti
 * kiddies/kids: Breathtaker, Breathtaker, Ada Kataki, Ada Kataki, Ada Kataki, Ada Kataki

Some other common positions:
 * Believes aggrotech & hellektro are synonymous: Breathtaker, Ada Kataki
 * Believes "futurepop has nothing to do with industrial": Breathtaker, Ada Kataki
 * Believes futurepop is a combination of trance and synth pop: Breathtaker, Ada Kataki
 * Fan of a book by Dave Thompson: Breathtaker, Ada Kataki, Ada Kataki, Chontamenti

Breathtaker writes German. Ada Kataki reads German. Chontamenti is from Germany. See also this and this for more evidence connecting Ada Kataki to Germany; also this and this also connects Breathtaker to Germany.

I am also not the first user who suspected that the three are the same as indicated here. --Bardin (talk) 15:41, 21 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Comments by accused parties    See Defending yourself against claims.


 * Comments by other users
 * It appears, Chontamenti is also User:Breathtaker. All three - Breathtaker, Ada Kataki and Chontamenti act in Wikipedia on the same goal: pushing the orthodox point of view in Gothic Rock-related articles (bands, related genres, subculture), providing no sources and discussing no consensus. Breathtaker was banned on 3 December 2007 - the day Ada Kataki registered. On 14 February 2009, Ada Kataki was blocked (then for 1 week), and Chontamenti registered the same day.Garret Beaumain (talk) 16:14, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I believe you are right. The edit summaries of Breathtaker are virtually identical to Ada Kataki/Chontamenti: many use of the term "has nothing to do with", quoting Dave Thompson book, calling other editor kiddies, using the word crap, etc. I guess I should have named this investigation Breathtaker instead of Ada Kataki. --Bardin (talk) 17:52, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I moved it to Breathtaker per your comment. —  Jake   Wartenberg  18:12, 21 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Clerk, patrolling admin and checkuser comments
 * The response to the accusation on his talk page speaks volumes. Quacking very noisily, and the user seems unconcerned (perhaps an indication of intent to create further socks when this one is blocked) Mayalld (talk) 08:10, 26 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Conclusions

Quack, as per Mayalld and the evidence in the contributions. Blocked and tagged. Peter Symonds ( talk ) 21:34, 29 May 2009 (UTC)