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I first noticed the interaction between these two editors on Articles for deletion/Natural Information Society where Lacy voted per nom on her own nomination. This appears to have been forgetting which account they were logged in as. The next vote on that XfD, during a time when Lacy was not editing was Bythebooklibrary, who endorsed deletion.

Both accounts also have similar !vote patterns at Articles for deletion/James D. Zirin, where they both cite as the reason for their keep votes and use a similar linguistic style:. Both of these comments show lack of edit summaries in their votes, have similar structures, and also make very specific wikisyntax choices (not saying too much per BEANS)

Bythebooklibrary also seems to have become involved in the feud between Lacypaperclip in (see Sockpuppet investigations/Chetsford/Archive and this ANEW report for background): accusing Chetsford of COI at the Zirin AfD and giving him a COI warning. The only other editor to recently Twinkle Chetsford being Lacy who did it twice:.

Both editors also !voted speedy keep on Articles for deletion/Michael Key:

Both !voted delete in another Chetsford related XfD: ,

The only AfD where they overlap and differ is another Chetsford AfD: Articles for deletion/Isaac Casado, with Lacy agreeing with Chet, and Bythebooklibrary arguing keep. In this case, the sentence structures are similar, and it looks to me to be Lacy trying to show that she isn't harassing him, but still managing to do so through another account !voting keep.

Additionally, both posted nearly identical requests for AfC access:

Finally, both accounts have been inactive since 18 January, suggesting they've likely abandoned the account.

Requesting CU to look for other accounts, and depending on the results, would appreciate a behavioral evaluation as I think the evidence is pretty strong regardless of the technical readings. TonyBallioni (talk) 02:10, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

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 * There's some interesting behavioural evidence which might be of interest. Primefac (talk) 14:15, 22 January 2018 (UTC) oh darn, did I delete that accidentally? How foolish of me... oh well, it's probably for the best... Primefac (talk) 14:16, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Just as some lame curiosity, does the red-link has some admin-only evidence? Winged Blades Godric 15:22, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
 * More or less. It's not really super-secret or anything, just don't need the type of information to get out easily. Happy to send you (or any non-admin clerks) an off-wiki link if you're interested. Primefac (talk) 15:47, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Pretty solid evidence.I have been observing the dispute between Chetsford and the duo and I concur with Tony. Winged Blades Godric 15:22, 22 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Just for the record, I have filed a complaint through #OTRS which was forwarded to the wikipedia foundation due to the severity of the physical threats, as per the advice of the administrator I am working with. Not much else to say here, just that this is a retaliatory spi, filed on behalf of Chetsford by one of his colleagues. I was expecting it. I only have one account. I hope you guys have fun helping Chetsford further harass me. Thank you! Lacypaperclip (talk) 16:31, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
 * , it might be beneficial for the admin you've been in contact with to comment here. Primefac (talk) 18:20, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Agreed with Primefac, and for the record, I have had no contact with Chetsford on this topic. TonyBallioni (talk) 18:29, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Also,, do you have an OTRS ticket number? TonyBallioni (talk) 18:39, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Second that.A ticket number would be helpful.I am also genuinely curious about the administrator who has advised you to take the help of OTRS on matters of harassment! Winged Blades Godric 18:53, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I would like to respectfully dispute Lacypaperclip's accusation that TonyBallioni is my meatpuppet. I believe our edit interaction demonstrates this is unlikely. Chetsford (talk) 21:53, 22 January 2018 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure how, despite my best efforts to steer a clear path, I keep getting pulled into this. However, now that I'm here, I will note that both of these accounts have a history of alleging fairly vast conspiracies involving the operation of Wikipedia. For instance, Lacypaperclip recently alleged that ”strange phenomenon” had been occurring at the Wikimedia Foundation that had resulted in the revision deletion of some of her edits as a result of lightning strikes on Wikipedia servers. Bythebooklibrary, meanwhile, recently accused   Courcelles of ”whitewashing” a SPI Bythebooklibrary had opened  against Ssilvers, closing with the declaration: ”I guess it pays to have friends in high places.” They have also both ( and ) strongly implied I am a real-life personal enemy of the son-in-law of the former owner of the New York Jets football team. No other Wikipedia editor has made this accusation against me. Chetsford (talk) 21:38, 22 January 2018 (UTC)


 * comment Some of the things Chetsford posts are simply not true or are a lie. For instance:I would like to respectfully dispute Lacypaperclip's accusation that TonyBallioni is my meatpuppet. Actual truth is: I posted filed on behalf of Chetsford by one of his colleagues.  No accusation there at all.

Chetsford says, strongly implied I am a real-life personal enemy of the son-in-law of the former owner of the New York Jets football team.. Actual truth is: I asked him 3 or 4 simple quests that are natural to ask someone if they have a COI. ''[]

Actually it was Bythebook library asked Chetsford if he had a COI first. ''I was wondering Chesterford do you have a COI regarding this matter? The reason I am so politely asking is that you seem to so adamantly object to anything at every juncture. See here Then later in the afd zirin thread, since Chetsford had not given answer to, I brought up the COI question to him again, I said,'' On another topic, I would like to know the answer to the question you skipped above? It is an important issue to note. Simply do have a COI with this article subject, have you ever met him, do you know someone in the family? Is there any link to him, or maybe do you not like attorneys?  Subsequently, Chetford has lied on several places: saying, Lacy has used the AfD to imply that I am a personal enemy of Zirin and/or his family and/or the entire legal profession, and, I am concerned the interrogation she is now trying to use the AfD to conduct may be a bit derailing: "have you ever met him, do you know someone in the family? Is there any link to him, or maybe do you not like attorneys? Please just leave a simple yes or no answer"''.

 ''edit warring report filed by Chetsford, was filed in retaliatory fashion AFTER he found out that an SPI report had been filed regarding him. Chetsford somehow found out the report had been filed with a no ping filter at SPI. I suspect that since he likely did not find the report via a ping, the other possible way he found out is he has been WP:WIKISTALKING and WP:WIKIHOUNDING me by obsessively punching refresh on my special contributions page, since the day I published the article James D. Zirin via my role as an AFC reviewer. The Zirin article was a draft at AFC, which he had previously declined to published. At that time he began a campaign of harassment towards me, one item of which caused him to retaliate by filing a vague edit warring report against me. By the way, I only made 2 reverts. He mentions in the report that, also said another editor editing the same article may also be guilty of edit warring, but he had not really looked over that editor's history or something like that. Very vague indeed. O, btw, that other editor was one of the possible multiple accounts he possibly may be controlling and using in an abusive manner. But I digress. Pinging editors that have been working to squash these multiple accounts and the harassment, WP:WIKISTALKING, and WP:WIKIHOUNDING that I have been enduring.''

Last thing I will mention is about the problem with diffs and a 10 minute window of time where the history at the Edit war notice bar was apparently either suppressed or accidentally deleted. The ten minute of history was missing was the time that I posted my response to the vague report by chetsford. I did notice this until my next morning. At that time a person gad already closed the report I asked for an investigation about the missing history. I got no response. Thank you. Lacypaperclip (talk) 02:48, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
 * There's no "missing" history. That's technically impossible. Whatever happened, it was an issue with you or whatever device you were using. --Neil N  talk to me 03:29, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
 * In your above post you said "... I asked him 3 or 4 simple quests ..." and then wikilinked to a post made by Bythebooklibrary . Chetsford (talk) 03:33, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

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 * The two accounts are /. One of the ranges used by the puppet is the same as the one used by the master. However, the devices used are different. The common range is I believe their true location and a legitimate ISP. The master does not edit from any other range, but the puppet uses a lot of ranges and predominantly proxies.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:09, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
 * More than enough evidence. Both accounts indeffed. Neil N  talk to me 03:43, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

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This account has popped up to submit a new draft on Mike Lewis after Lacypaperclip was blocked. Quack. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:43, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

This account, like Lacypaperclip, is primarily involved in submitting drafts on Mike Lewis. They're all one mallard; pluck it. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:46, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

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 * The following accounts are ✅ to each other and ❌ to the master:
 * Blocked without tags.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:23, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Tagged separately, closing. GABgab 00:54, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Blocked without tags.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:23, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Tagged separately, closing. GABgab 00:54, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Tagged separately, closing. GABgab 00:54, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

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Rusboot is an obvious UPE. Here they requested undeletion of Lastee which was originally created by. DUCKish, but requesting CU to look for others. PierreBSA is also suspicious, edited the same article and also crossed over here: SmartSE (talk) 08:46, 23 March 2018 (UTC)


 * The uploads by Commons:Special:Contributions/Saleh_Gadau - a sock of Sockpuppet_investigations/Vukhudo - were used by Rusboot. Worth noting that there was considerable MEAT surrounding that, as well as socking. SmartSE (talk) 13:13, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

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I am a paid editor, Lastee had hired me to Create a Wikipedia page for him. I had then made a quick search on Google to find whether he was notable or not. Upon my search I found the actual link to his Wikipedia page, which showed that the article had been deleted through AfD as a soft delete and it stated that I could request the page for undeletion and so I requested Here, after requesting I improved the page and cited more reliable sources that I could find. Since both Lastee and Tellaman are friends Lastee, Lastee later requested me to improve Tellaman's page as there was a reference improve tag on it, I improved it Here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rusboot (talk • contribs) 12:16, 23 March 2018 (UTC) With The_DuchAz, DJ Younjosh and all my other articles it's a different story. I had gone through this, watch specifically from 1:11 to 1:31. That is how I "ended up" finding their articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rusboot (talk • contribs) 13:38, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
 * This statement by Rusboot is a little strange as they have revived soft deletes of various artists Dj younjosh Lastee and The DuchAz, have they been contacted by all these people and just "ended up" finding their articles? Dom from Paris (talk) 18:07, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

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— Berean Hunter   (talk)  00:20, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Given Rusboot's paid editing disclosures, overlap with another investigation, and some differing styles and interests, I think we have multiple unrelated paid editors here. The two confirmed accounts are obviously one person, but Roboske's only two edits were to add sources to articles, so there's no actual abuse there. I also suspect that the two "Rowlene" accounts are this same person, but weak technical evidences and usernames are not enough to go on. Finally, it's worth mentioning that I have serious COI concerns regarding Rusboot, but that not being a sockpuppetry issue I'll leave that for WP:COIN to sort out. There is already discussion on the issue. Sir Sputnik (talk) 03:57, 8 April 2018 (UTC)