Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Camoka4/Archive

11 August 2012

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Back in June Camoka4 made edits removing the "Future members" from an image at the Schengen Area article. They were blocked for edit warring for continuously making this edit. Today the IP address above made the same edit to the article, minutes after Camoka4  to remove the "Future members" again (Commons won't let you revert an image as an IP). Given that Camoka4 hasn't edited Wikipedia or Commons since June (with the exception of a single instance in July), there's too much of a coincidence that the editor reverted the image on Commons, and an IP came along within minutes of this change to make the subsequent change on the Wikipedia side. I thought maybe Camoka4 just forgot to log in, so I asked the IP if they were Camoka4, and their answer was to avoid answering the question. WP:SOCK says that "Editing logged out in order to mislead" and "Logging out to make problematic edits as an IP address" is sockpuppetry. Camoka4 was blocked for these same exact edits, and the consensus on the talk page was against their edits, so Camoka4 is well aware that this would be a contentious edit.

Camoka4 has previously edited their talk user page under, which was reverted but they disclosed that this IP address was theirs. Both IP addresses geolocate to within the same area.

Camoka4 and the IP editor have also both made personal attacks on my talk page, this being after Camoka4 was given a final warning about this very same thing per a discussion on ANI. - SudoGhost 00:35, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

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 * It would seem likely that they are the same person. Furthermore, they do not deny being the same person; an innocent person would have reacted differently (for example reverting their own edit and saying sorry, or something like that).  It would seem clear that the intention of editing logged in and not logged in was sock-puppetry.  This does not look or feel like a case where the editor made a mistake, or had to do some editing not logged in to avoid compromising his/her password, etc.--Toddy1 (talk) 09:59, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I've added to the list as this IP has just shown up and made the same controversial edit.  (Both IPs locate to Turkey where Camoka4 claims to come from).  This comes 3 minutes after the same map was changed by Camoka4 at Schengen Agreement, and roughly 6 hours after Camoka4 uploaded the file to commons.  TDL (talk) 16:08, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

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 * Being a little obvious, I blocked the active IP for 72 hours, and gave the master two weeks per previous blocks. -- DQ  (ʞlɐʇ)  20:59, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

15 September 2012

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Camoka4 a couple days ago and proceeded to add it to numerous other language wiki articles (,, , , etc.)  Less than 30mins later, an IP requests an autoblock set for Camoka4 be lifted and Camoka4's block is reset due to attempted evasion. Camoka4 spent the next couple hours requesting an unblock, but after getting declined evidently gives up and less than 3h after the image was first uploaded, 85.103.127.39 requested that the image be added to the en-language article with an identical caption as Camoka4 had used on the other language wikis. The same IP edit wars to remove a deletion nomination tag from Camoka4's file on commons. This is nearly identical behaviour as the previous case with Schengen Agreement and a map on commons (see the archive). As with the previously blocked IP socks, this one geolocates to Turkey. Given how quickly the user evades his block after having it extended for evasion, this probably needs to be dealt with. TDL (talk) 07:33, 15 September 2012 (UTC)


 * @OhanaUnited: Can you point me towards the policy that says this? I'm aware that private technical information can't be used to link IPs and accounts (ie CheckUser), which is why I didn't request a WP:CU.  However, I'm unaware of any policy which states that public information can't be used to link WP:DUCK IPs to accounts based solely on behavioral evidence.  It seems to be quite common for admins to make such a link (see the archive of this case where User:DeltaQuad linked two IPs to a master account.)  If such a policy exists, then it should be stated at WP:SPI that IP socks of named accounts shouldn't be reported to SPI.   TDL (talk) 05:39, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't know if it's relevant to the "linking IPs to account" thing, but Camoka4 has identified an IP as them that geolocates to the same area. - SudoGhost 07:35, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

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''Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.'' As the master can not react here due to his block, I have suggested him to do so -if he feels like-, on his talk page: user talk:Camoka4. L.tak (talk) 13:03, 15 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment - I added to the SPI, as that account was created one day after Camoka4's block was extended due to "attempted block evasion".  Camoka5 first began editing 34 minutes after Camoka4's last unblock request, and the editing topics seem to be generally similar, particularly the edit-warring over maps in articles, which Camoka4 was blocked for previously. - SudoGhost 05:10, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

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— Berean Hunter   (talk)  17:36, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
 * We don't link IPs with account OhanaUnitedTalk page 04:39, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Blocked user:85.103.127.39 - identical location as  user:88.240.24.124 already blocked per Sockpuppet investigations/Camoka4/Archive. And blocked User:Camoka5 as an obvious sock  of user:Camoka4. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:17, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Given that the account Camoka5 was created after the block evasion was reset, I'm indeffing the master and closing.

03 November 2012

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 * On commons, you cannot upload as an IP, so logging in is required. first on Turkish passport he upload a new file to commons as camoka4 (1 nov 2343), then change the file link as ip
 * Similar: After making several edits to Visa requirements for United States citizens by the first 3 IP's, the map was uploaded by commons:user talk:Camoka4 on commons (no diff: first edit)
 * Camoka4/5 has used the 88.240 range before (see previous spi), has been interested in visa requirements articles and Turkey before; and has before been using IPs to change images he uploaded as Camoka on commons. L.tak (talk) 10:15, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

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Quite obviously block evasion by Camoka. CUs would probably agree amongst themselves that the location  is the same street  address. Probably nothing would help other than a range block. I'm blocking the IPs for a short while. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:10, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I have blocked 88.240.0.0/19 for a week; while I was checking for collateral damage, I also found, a ✅ sock. Blocked and tagged. Closing. Salvio  Let's talk about it! 14:28, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

02 March 2013

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Camoka4 and Free ottoman have an interest in the status of Bulgaria/Romania within the Schengen Area. Camoka wanted them to be removed from the image (e.g. here after changing the image on commons) several time; as was Free ottoman. Now this might be just two editors sharing the same opinion. But I suspected him to be a sock once I saw both had, in addition to this subject also an interest in images on the use of web browsers ( and Free ottoman on wiki. As both subjects have virtually no link and the edits of both are relatively small, I think suspect Free ottoman of being a sock.

Supporting evidence Not conclusive, but important supporting evidence is that both seem have an interest in turkey (the username free ottoman; the visa related articles edited by Camoka, just look through their contributions); and both have a habit of refactoring talk page posts (compare ottoman and Camoka... L.tak (talk) 16:53, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

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Yeah, it's definitely him. The Free ottoman account was created two days after Camoka4's unblock request was denied and his talk page access was revoked. One of his first edits was to complain about "hostile administrators".

Also, take a look at the contributions from an IP range around a past confirmed Camoka sock. The overlap is overwhelmingly convincing: Alfred Brendel, Next Greek legislative election, Usage_share_of_web_browsers‎, Bog‎, Istanbul University State Conservatory. Here edits a post created by Free ottoman before signing it Free ottoman moments later. The IP falls within the range of past IPs blocked as socks of Camoka. TDL (talk) 21:02, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

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 * - Since Camoka4's edits are all stale, I don't see anything to be gained by a CU here. — Rich wales (no relation to Jimbo) 20:51, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Free ottoman indef blocked. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

19 March 2013
Blank case created based on checkuser's request. Reaper Eternal (talk) 02:04, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
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 * ✅ =  =  --  DQ   (ʞlɐʇ)  02:09, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Due to the type of block on the master, blocking VanDerHaart. If he wants unblocking, he needs to appeal via WP:BASC.  Closing. Dennis Brown - 2¢  © Join WER 10:55, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

19 March 2013

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Camaka 4 and 5 already exists, Camoka6 is a logic extension… On commons, Camoka 6 created (something that Camoka also did); included in english wikipedia subsequently by the IP (see here… L.tak (talk) 23:21, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

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 * Blocked, tagged, and closed. Reaper Eternal (talk) 01:28, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

30 March 2013

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Same naming convention (CamokaN) as past socks, though interestingly the rate of change of N has drastically increased. Edits the same articles as past socks. TDL (talk) 17:48, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

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 * . Blocked and tagged. Jafeluv (talk) 12:19, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

02 March 2014

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Same interest in EU-Turkey maps and world browser usage. Compare with, or the history of commons:File:TurkeyVisaFreeTravelMap3.png and commons:File:Countries by most used web browser.svg/commons:File:Countries by most used web browser (update).svg. Or vs ;  vs.

The user is especially active on the Turkish wiki: vs. TDL (talk) 00:24, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

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The behavioral evidence is overwhelming. I also think it's interesting to note that this account was created not long after the most recent sock of Camoka4 was blocked (in March 2013, this account was created in April 2013), a timeline which reinforces the idea that this account is only Camoka4 evading their indefinite block. I'm blocking and tagging per WP:DUCK. --  At am a  頭 21:19, 3 March 2014 (UTC)