Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Carlstak/Archive

25 February 2015

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 * 2.136.207.64:
 * 2.137.191.198:
 * Johnbod:
 * Sidihmed:
 * Carlstak:
 * Asilah1981:
 * Talk:Morisco -- Iñaki LL (talk) 10:08, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

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 * (non-admin's comment)
 * : 's first edit on WP was on Oct. 24th 2006 and 's first was on Aug. 21st 2011 ; these two are clearly not socks, while is rather a sock of . However, the two IPs could be linked to  since they are used for a single purpose: putting back Asilah1981's edits and supporting his view on the TP. Regards, --Omar-toons (talk) 15:58, 26 February 2015 (UTC)


 * This is all complete nonsense I suspect. Iñaki LL and Omar-toons are edit-warring on Moriscos to defend their version, and are being very free with accusations of various sorts. It is likely to rebound on them. Johnbod (talk) 16:30, 26 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Obviously Johnbod has nothing to do with a purpose-only created username, I may have added him in the wrong place, I added him to check any connections possible in the serial intervention of new usernames. Iñaki LL (talk) 23:17, 26 February 2015 (UTC)


 * This is so pathetic its not even worth responding. But I will do so anyways. I was editing as an IP until Iñaki LL got the page protected launching random accusations of sockpuppetry to anyone who disagreed with him. Since that moment I have been only using this user account. There has been no sockpuppetry from any user in this article but Iñaki LL is so obsessive in pushing his POV by deleting sources that this is his last desperate attempt to do so. Not sure if its sad or comical. Bit of both really. Iñaki LL it is really shameful that you waste contributors time with bogus claims. Asilah1981 (talk) 13:09, 27 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Iñaki and Omar-toons have effectively asserted ownership of the Morisco article and revert any edits that don't suit their personal agendas. Now in retaliation Iñaki has made this false and frivolous claim against me. An IP lookup shows that the IP address 2.136.207.64 is originating in Spain. I am in Florida in the US. The diff he includes as "evidence" refers to an edit made by Johnbod. The next diff shows an edit made by the blocked sockpuppet Sidihmed, whose subliterate editing style in English, amusingly, is more similar to Iñaki's than mine. Some of his other diffs show edits by user Asilah1981, whom I have no knowledge of. What is ridiculous is that I should be bothered by this harassment and obliged to defend myself against these false accusations. Carlstak (talk) 13:34, 27 February 2015 (UTC)


 * I would also like to state that I am convinced that Iñaki LL is fully aware that his accusation on Carlstak. myself or whoever is bogus. I happen to be in Europe not in Florida. In any case, Carlstak, Johnbod and I agreed on taking this edit conflict to RFC, and Iñaki LL knowing that he had no valid arguments, seems to have panicked at this possibility and has reacted by launching these accusations in order to avoid Request for Comment. An abuse of Wikipedia's control mechanisms which should be sanctioned somehow.Asilah1981 (talk) 17:21, 27 February 2015 (UTC)


 * I responded to the main point on the discussion page, I acted criteria-based all the time, and will only bring the attention to the level of bitterness of some, I saw nothing constructive or compromise building. Now coming to sockpuppeting, I knew there was sockpuppeting with new usernames coming all the time, but not knowing who was exactly the master, since they all showed similar puzzling arguments, I added all of them, with Carlstak as a main suspect. Just at that moment Asilah1981 showed up with that name. That is the reason this is in an investigation. Iñaki LL (talk) 20:00, 27 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Well, it did clarify something, and as I stated, there were double personae, one IP address at least happened to be Asilah1981, why did he act on another IP username, and not declare in the debate process that is was him??? There was also another sockpuppet involved in the whole dispute (Sidihmed). Iñaki LL (talk) 08:53, 28 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Regardless of the fact that the case against Carlstak should be closed ASAP... Iñaki LL, my case is not a case of double personae. It is me using consistently the same IP then being required to use a user name once the page was semi-protected so that only auto-confirmed users could edit. Once the article was (unjustifiedly) semi protected I did not go back to using an IP and continued with the same debate under the same user name. That is not sockpuppetry or pretending to be more than one person. Asilah1981 (talk) 17:17, 28 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Ok, my concern is the one pointed above by Omar-toons, User:Historian Student seems to have been created also for the purpose (they back up Asilah1981 in his claims), so who is the master? That has not been worked out yet. Iñaki LL (talk) 19:53, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

, hi again, I do not think the presence of 2.136.207.64 has been yet clarified either, which I added in the investigation and is so similar in IP with the one used by Asilah1981 (as revealed above by himself, "It is me using consistently the same IP"), as well as to other respects (editing type, explanation line). I think this connection should also be scrutinized to confirm it is not the same user under different IDs. "Sockpuppeting" or not, just looking to clarify the situation, who is who in this article. Thanks Iñaki LL (talk) 23:37, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * , do you have any evidence that those are multiple accounts operated by the same person? We cannot act without evidence.  Vanjagenije  (talk)  00:22, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
 * After reviewing provided diffs, I see extensive edit warring at "Morisco" article. I do not see any pattern of abuse that connects dose different user accounts. There are some similar edits, but that is expected in such edit wars, as users revert each other. Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see any evidence of sockpuppetry here. Still, I'll leave to someone else to close this case.  Vanjagenije  (talk)  20:50, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I removed irrelevant comments (again). I went through all diffs and all the discussion, and decided to close this case without any action.  Vanjagenije  (talk)  23:53, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I concur with 's decision to close this SPI without taking action. There was lots of edit warring a while back on this article, but I do not see credible, compelling evidence of sockpuppetry.  —  Rich wales (no relation to Jimbo) 04:56, 7 March 2015 (UTC)