Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/ChanComThemPho/Archive

Suspected sockpuppets



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I'm filing this after consultation with on AN. These three are CU-confirmed to each other. I'm about to run a few more checks to see if I got it covered. Drmies (talk) 00:58, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

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 * , any more to do here? GeneralNotability (talk) 00:31, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Haha, GeneralNotability, I'm just the dude filing the report! No, I guess not--if one of you can tag em and bag em, that'd be great. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 00:33, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Tagged, lock request filed. Closing. GeneralNotability (talk) 00:41, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets

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Already blocked: this duck quacked loudly enough. I'm leaving it here in case someone is interested in running CU--I did not see anything there, but the last sock was last year. Drmies (talk) 14:16, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

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 * I'm confused. Editing Vietnam-related articles is not a characteristic behavior of them. Furthermore, my check on WD strongly suggests they are to this master.--Jasper Deng (talk) 18:16, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Some notes:  I'm not as familiar with this master either but it seems they have a history of faking foreign language expertise and posing as a native editor. What gives me pause is they have significant edits on viwiki. Also - due to the global ban, if this is a sock, it is grounds for a global lock so I want to make sure to get this right. --Rschen7754 18:40, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
 * , please see Sockpuppet_investigations/Tobias_Conradi/Archive. Drmies (talk) 18:56, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
 * can you please share the CU data with me on your end? Despite the behavioral overlap I don’t see it adding up. (I’m a CU on WD and thus authorized to see the data). Or maybe I could just send you what I see on my side.—Jasper Deng (talk) 19:13, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Jasper Deng, I don't have it--I closed that window a while ago, so I'd have to recheck. But it's not a CU block that I placed, please remember that. I see now that there's an entry on the CU wiki for them; you can put your data there and I'll do the same; I couldn't do that this morning because I don't have the link to that wiki on that computer, haha. Drmies (talk) 20:28, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I posted the data as requested on the talk page of it.--Jasper Deng (talk) 04:47, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Kindly note that I am not making a statement about who is right or wrong. I am disclosing what should have been disclosed to begin with. This lack of transparency looks like there is an ulterior motive somewhere in this case. I really hope that you would consider this before banning GiaoThongVN. Lacessori (talk) 16:02, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I can verify that this user has been making constructive edits in viwiki and is not feigning expertise in the language. This user's main areas of edit are Vietnamese administrative divisions (the user name means "Vietnamese transportation"). DHN (talk) 09:26, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Is Conradi fluent in Vietnamese? He's German right? If not, this is a mistake. Giaothong is fluent in Vietnamese and proficient like a native speaker. Many others and I have interacted with him in Vietnamese Wikipedia. Nguyentrongphu (talk) 09:30, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * As some voice from Vietnamese Wikipedia: GiaoThongVN‎ is trusted user in vi.wp, who have both patroller and rollbacker rights. -- minhhuy (talk) 12:38, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * As a member of vi-wiki, I'm sure GiaoThongVN and 30ChuaPhaiLaTet and ChanComThemPho are the same person. Besides, 30Chua and ChanCom are also Tobias' socks (a global banned user). Therefore, based on the syllogism, we have Tobias = GiaoThongVN. Also, ChanCom, 30Chua were blocked due to be Tobias's socks, so socks of socks of banned user have to be banned, or we have to unblock ChanCom and 30Chua. According to global ban policy, GiaoThong must be banned forever. I agree 100% with a global lock. ３ ▪  '１４' 13:32, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * As a note, this user has a grudge against Giaothong, so his view may not be neutral. Nguyentrongphu (talk) 14:48, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * As a contributing (even though really, really new) member of Wikipedia in Vietnamese, I second this statement by Nguyentrongphu. This sad news came as a shock to those of us who went to GiaoThongVN's page to say 'Goodbye' and why would it be a shock? Because maybe only a day or two before this, GiaoThongVN and Nguyenhai314 had a HUGE fight over at Wiki in Vietnamese, with Nguyenhai314 accusing GiaoThongVN of humiliating him, even though from the reaction of those who commented under that thread, one could not be certain whether any humiliating had actually taken place. Also, the community understands that Nguyenhai314 and GiaoThongVN do not see eye to eye on many issues. GiaoThongVN has been bothered and has asked Nguyenhai314 to leave him alone on Wiki in Vietnamese. Nguyenhai314 also claimed that GiaoThongVN was the reason he had to leave Wikipedia (Nguyenhai314 actually left for a couple of days earlier this month)... I understand that it is not being transparent on the part of Nguyenhai314 not to fully disclose this incident to you.
 * I do believe that there was mistake to detect 30ChuaPhaiLaTet as sock of Tobias Conradi, considered these people have fluent in Vietnamese and mainly contribute to Vietnamese Wikipedia. A global lock for GiaoThongVN is inappropriate, based on good behaviour of this user in other wikis outside enwp. -- minhhuy (talk) 15:24, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree with Trần Nguyễn Minh Huy's opinion. P.T.Đ (talk) 15:53, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I've been watching GiaoThongVN's contribution and discussion nearly a year in vi.wikipedia, I can make sure that this user is a native Vietnamese speaker. Is there anyone here can give any evidence showing that Tobias Conradi can speak Vietnamese fluently even just for once ? 30ChuaPhaiLaTet is also a native Vietnamese speaker and previously he was wrongly identified as Tobias Conradi. Please clarify this case carefully. Without strong evidence, I disagree with the suggestion to global lock this account since this user's contribution is very helpful in our project. Violetbonmua (talk) 15:34, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry but I noticed that there were signs that Hai was blatantly slandering GiaothongVN inter Wiki, reporting GiaothongVN as being inaccurate and this was confirmed by notifying a member here. The plan was to retaliate and "fight internally" due to disagreement about the two's views at viwiki. Thienhau2003 (talk) 16:22, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * As a user of viwp, I have to agree with most of the other comments here that GiaoThongVN is not the same person as Tobias Conradi. Judging from other archived SPI results showing that Tobias Conradi's most recent socks are overhelmingly IPs with geolocation in Germany, there aren't really many similarities between these two users. GiaoThongVN is definitely a native Vietnamese speaker who mainly contributes to viwp while Tobias Conradi doesn't seem to speak Vietnamese and has never contributed to or registered on viwp either. A further point to note is that the way they contribute to enwp also differ from each other. AFAIK, GiaoThongVN focused almost entirely on Vietnam, while Tobias and his socks focused on a different area (mainly Europe). -- Ha nk iz 16:44, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I also agree with Lệ Xuân's opinion. Please seriously recheck this case. P.T.Đ (talk) 00:57, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I also agree., , , kindly reconsider please!Lacessori (talk) 06:01, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
 * On behalf of all the users who have their comments hidden here, do I have the right to question the reason why User:JJMC89 hid all the comments of our checkuser and many other sysops, members... Are they not worth considering regardless of right or wrong? Violetbonmua (talk) 09:25, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
 * We have the right that our voices can be heard! Nguyentrongphu (talk) 10:31, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments
--Rschen7754 18:00, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
 * User:Rschen7754, I am not invested in the identification with Tobias Conradi; please see this, Administrators'_noticeboard/Archive322, for the reason for my placing this here. But that GiaoThongVN is the same editor as 30ChuaPhaiLaTet and ChanComThemPho seems clear to me. Drmies (talk) 01:01, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * . Comparing Tobias Conradi to ChanComThemPho, a previously blocked sock - same ISP, geolocation, different ranges.  ~Oshwah~  (talk) (contribs)   01:43, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Given that those other accounts Drmies has blocked are blocked, the block here should stay. The question remains as to whether this is Tobias Conradi and the implications globally. --Rschen7754 02:25, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * And I'm hesitating on making that call because it's been ages since I've done anything at SPI and I'm not that familiar with the behavior. --Rschen7754 06:29, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I am unfortunately familiar with TC. His main topics was administrative divisions, and this one has conservation areas, which is similar. The editing manner is also similar, though I can not say with certainty that this is TC.--Ymblanter (talk) 06:50, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I've blocked a lot of Conradi socks. This geographic region is a bit new to him but he does spread around his cheer once in a while as he did with India related locations. At that time too his behavior was quite similar, there were a couple of indic named socks and also some summaries etc in Indic languages (but in latin script). I'd say that there's very low probability that this isn't him, so this might need some locking action etc at meta, given the global ban. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  08:44, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Might it have been possible that 30ChuaPhaiLaTet & co were wrongly identified as Tobias Conradi? From what I remember, the last time he edited was a few years ago, using a more aggressive editing style, and almost exclusively via IP's. As long as this user is editing constructively on other wikis, is a global lock really necessary? Sro23 (talk) 12:31, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * A compromise might be to create Sockpuppet investigations/ChanComThemPho and move this section there, since it's pretty clear GiaoThongVN belongs to that group, but there seems to be doubt as to whether this is the same user as Tobias Conradi. That way we could avoid the whole g lock issue. From what I gather, some wikipedias (especially smaller ones) have much more liberal policies on sockpuppetry, so I think globally locking this account just because a couple people from the English wiki think this might be Tobias Conradi, when there's been no evidence of cross-wiki abuse, would be a little bit unfair. Sro23 (talk) 09:30, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
 * My gut reaction is that they probably are the same user - but I'm not confident enough in that determination to request a global lock, which is very difficult to appeal. So I think this plan of action would be appropriate. If further technical or behavioral evidence comes out in the future we can revisit. --Rschen7754 18:06, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I'll repeat that I personally don't care whether they are TC or not; and, that is not really all that important (and please, this is not a forum). I also don't really care about a global lock; that means nothing to me, but if that's somehow a thing that is difficult to undo or whatever, then let's not do it. The basic facts, though, still stand: GiaThong is making the exact same edits as , , , who are confirmed as socks to each other. Sro23, I'm perfectly alright with moving this section to a new SPI--thanks. Drmies (talk) 21:02, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Because you clearly mentioned me above, can I say here? (If not, kindly show me where and that would be appreciated) You blocked him using the reason: "Sock puppetry--obviously User:Tobias Conradi)", and now you're saying that "I personally don't care whether they are TC or not"? Violetbonmua (talk) 21:16, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Violetbonmua, follow the narrative: I was told last year that those editors were TC. And please note the half dozen edits I made here; I think I said I'm not invested in the identification of this as TC three times. Drmies (talk) 00:26, 18 March 2021 (UTC)


 * - this was copied from Sockpuppet investigations/Tobias Conradi. Sro23 (talk) 23:12, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I think it's safe to say this group is independent of Conradi. Since the blocking CU gave permission, I've moved the case and re-tagged everyone under the new master's name, ChanComThemPho. I'll see what I can do about getting the lock request cancelled for GiaoThongVN. Closing. Sro23 (talk) 23:26, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
 * , just one more thing. I don't know what the rationale is behind blocking someone globally or not. The accounts we're dealing with here were clearly socking. So we're not calling for a global block because a few editors from over there are saying the editor is making valuable edits there? Because in the meantime I'm thinking it's worth our while writing up an entry on the CU wiki. Drmies (talk) 00:33, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure if you're asking me to take any action here, but the lock request has already been denied, and it's like I said earlier, I don't really see the utility in getting a user globally locked when there's been no evidence they are being abusive on any other projects. Then again I feel like we've spent enough time talking about this here, it ultimately should be the decision of the stewards what to do. Sro23 (talk) 03:12, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets

 * (confirmed sock of ChanComThemPho, old account name was GiaoThongVN)
 * (old name is Không hề giả trân)
 * (his most recent sock in Vietnamese Wikipedia)
 * (his most recent sock in Vietnamese Wikipedia)

Đại Việt quốc and Wo hen xi huan bing qi lin are confirmed to be socks by a local checkuser (the page also lists many other socks of his). Đại Việt quốc and Hari caaru are connected to be 1 person according to similar behavior (proof) using DUCK. This is block evasion. I suggest a check to catch all remaining accounts.

Behavior evidences: All 3 accounts edit the same set of articles regarding administrative divisions of Vietnam. 76.250.37.186 (talk) 08:07, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

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 * - Please, compare those four accounts to each other.  Vanjagenije  (talk)  01:24, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Haari caru is . These are ✅ to each other:


 * These accounts are editing from the same geolocation as the master (which is not one that would be expected from the edits). Spicy (talk) 01:17, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Blocked,, closing. Thanks, Spicy (talk) 01:20, 9 January 2024 (UTC)