Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Channel 6/Archive

Report date July 13 2009, 02:24 (UTC)

 * Suspected sockpuppets:


 * Evidence submitted by Hairhorn

Talk:Sarey_(Singer) is the most obvious confluence of all three editors, all posting in support of singer cut from the first round of "America's Got Talent". BoredBoredom, a very new account, only started posting in Sarey (Singer) after User:Googleisawesome received a final warning for edits to Sarey_Savy, an article deleted mutliple times through Speedy Deletion and AfD.

BoredBoredom and 75.92.208.32 have only made edits on this subject. Also compare User:BoredBoredom with User talk:BoredBoredom, where the user and the IP are clearly the same person.


 * Comments by accused parties    See Defending yourself against claims.


 * Comments by other users
 * I began looking into these acounts due to the loud quacking they generate. In the process, I've also found additional potentially related meatpuppet/sockpuppet user accounts:
 * The last three of these additional accounts are already blocked, and all are SPA accounts editing only Sarey Savy related content. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 02:55, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * There also appears to be, which is also blocked. Cheers.  lifebaka++ 03:01, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The last three of these additional accounts are already blocked, and all are SPA accounts editing only Sarey Savy related content. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 02:55, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * There also appears to be, which is also blocked. Cheers.  lifebaka++ 03:01, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The last three of these additional accounts are already blocked, and all are SPA accounts editing only Sarey Savy related content. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 02:55, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * There also appears to be, which is also blocked. Cheers.  lifebaka++ 03:01, 13 July 2009 (UTC)


 * While looking at other edits, I stumbled upon several other potential sock/meatpuppets:
 * This is starting to look to be a much larger and longer-running issue than it initially appeared. So far, these tie into articles I've located that were created at: Sarey, Sarey Savy, Savy Sarey, Sarey (Singer), Sarey Savy (Singer), Me & U (Sarey Savy), Don't Stop Believin' (By: Sarey Savy), and Don't Stop Believin' (Sarey Savy Song).  In addition, the content has been re-produced on the user pages of several of the meat/sockpuppet accounts. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 04:13, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * This is starting to look to be a much larger and longer-running issue than it initially appeared. So far, these tie into articles I've located that were created at: Sarey, Sarey Savy, Savy Sarey, Sarey (Singer), Sarey Savy (Singer), Me & U (Sarey Savy), Don't Stop Believin' (By: Sarey Savy), and Don't Stop Believin' (Sarey Savy Song).  In addition, the content has been re-produced on the user pages of several of the meat/sockpuppet accounts. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 04:13, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * This is starting to look to be a much larger and longer-running issue than it initially appeared. So far, these tie into articles I've located that were created at: Sarey, Sarey Savy, Savy Sarey, Sarey (Singer), Sarey Savy (Singer), Me & U (Sarey Savy), Don't Stop Believin' (By: Sarey Savy), and Don't Stop Believin' (Sarey Savy Song).  In addition, the content has been re-produced on the user pages of several of the meat/sockpuppet accounts. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 04:13, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * This is starting to look to be a much larger and longer-running issue than it initially appeared. So far, these tie into articles I've located that were created at: Sarey, Sarey Savy, Savy Sarey, Sarey (Singer), Sarey Savy (Singer), Me & U (Sarey Savy), Don't Stop Believin' (By: Sarey Savy), and Don't Stop Believin' (Sarey Savy Song).  In addition, the content has been re-produced on the user pages of several of the meat/sockpuppet accounts. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 04:13, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * This is starting to look to be a much larger and longer-running issue than it initially appeared. So far, these tie into articles I've located that were created at: Sarey, Sarey Savy, Savy Sarey, Sarey (Singer), Sarey Savy (Singer), Me & U (Sarey Savy), Don't Stop Believin' (By: Sarey Savy), and Don't Stop Believin' (Sarey Savy Song).  In addition, the content has been re-produced on the user pages of several of the meat/sockpuppet accounts. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 04:13, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * This is starting to look to be a much larger and longer-running issue than it initially appeared. So far, these tie into articles I've located that were created at: Sarey, Sarey Savy, Savy Sarey, Sarey (Singer), Sarey Savy (Singer), Me & U (Sarey Savy), Don't Stop Believin' (By: Sarey Savy), and Don't Stop Believin' (Sarey Savy Song).  In addition, the content has been re-produced on the user pages of several of the meat/sockpuppet accounts. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 04:13, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Note: I believe I've deleted all of the user pages that were a copy of the repeatedly deleted article. Feel free to poke me if I've missed any. Shell  babelfish 04:21, 13 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Clerk, patrolling admin and checkuser comments

Checking since this seems to be a recurring problem. ✅ the following: The rest seems to be to me at first glance (poke me if I forgot an account). The IP looks static, a short hardblock is feasible. -- Luk  talk 05:17, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I blocked these accounts as socks. I've only given the IP a 48 hour block, but it can be lengthened as necessary.  Cheers.  lifebaka++ 13:17, 13 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Conclusions

All tagged. — Jake   Wartenberg  00:58, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Report date August 8 2009, 02:54 (UTC)

 * Suspected sockpuppets

75.92.208.32 used to remove CSD tag from Sarey Savy (Singer/Songwriter). 75.92.208.32 has been previously banned as sockpuppet. ttonyb1 (talk) 02:54, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Evidence submitted by ttonyb1  (talk)

Additional address for sockpuppet. User is SPA used to remove CSD from article Sarey Savy (Singer/Songwriter). ttonyb1 (talk) 02:57, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Evidence submitted by ttonyb1  (talk)


 * Comments by accused parties    See Defending yourself against claims.


 * Comments by other users
 * Indefinitely blocked User:Wheelmade per WP:DUCK Jclemens (talk) 03:24, 8 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Clerk, patrolling admin and checkuser comments


 * Conclusions

Evidence submitted by Soap
Creating Sarey Savy (Singer-Songwriter) as yet another attempt to re-create an article about himself. -- Soap Talk/Contributions 01:32, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Comments by accused parties
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Comments by other users
His user page indicates that he is Sarey Savy (see User:EmailerToAllofyou) and he says the same on Talk:Sarey Savy (Singer-Songwriter). He also uses User:71.22.170.68 see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/71.22.170.68.--''' SabreBD  (talk ) 01:53, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

I added IP 71.22.170.68 as would be indicated by this edit and this edit, among others, adding Sarey Savy to various articles like Tenor.  Glenfarclas  ( talk ) 06:09, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Clerk, patrolling admin and checkuser comments
IP also blocked. –MuZemike 00:16, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Evidence submitted by Glenfarclas
Insertion of information related to non-notable kid singer Sarey Savy, see here at Music of Cambodia and here on his userpage. Continues a recurring pattern of using multiple sockpuppets to insert Sarey Savy-related pages and information at every opportunity, despite repeated indef blocks.  Glenfarclas  ( talk ) 04:02, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Additional edits from this user concerning Sarey Savy are here and here.  Glenfarclas   ( talk ) 02:32, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Also here, which appears to be a preparatory edit to trying to reintroduce Sarey Savy.  Glenfarclas   ( talk ) 00:00, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
 * And, sure enough, Sarey Savy's back at Sarey Savy (Songwriter-Singer).  Glenfarclas   ( talk ) 20:34, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Comments by accused parties
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Clerk, patrolling admin and checkuser comments
Blocked as disruptive account and highly likely sockpuppet. --Tikiwont (talk) 23:28, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Evidence submitted by Glenfarclas
Continued abuse from this user: see the archive, including another case just closed and archived yesterday. This user has created Sarey Savy, a non-notable kid singer, under that and similar titles dozens if not scores of times, despite AfDs, blocks, etc. Today it's Sarey Savy (Songwriter/Singer).  Glenfarclas  ( talk ) 00:09, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * ILOVEMUSICMAN! is a newly-created SPA whose first edit was to remove the speedy deletion template (for the fifth time) from Sarey Savy (Songwriter/Singer).  Glenfarclas   ( talk ) 00:51, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * The IP I've added (for removing the speedy deletion template yet again) also appears in the archive of this case.  Glenfarclas   ( talk ) 00:56, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Comments by accused parties
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Clerk, patrolling admin and checkuser comments
Socks indefinitely blocked and tagged. IP blocked 1 month IP hardblocked 3 months. –MuZemike 02:11, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Evidence submitted by Glenfarclas
Umpteenth sockpuppet of Sarey Savy (see archives), a non-notable 14-year-old singer who is just dying to have a page about himself on Wikipedia. Deleted and salted under countless titles, multiple sockpuppets blocked. See this recreation of his article in userspace and an Articles for Creation attempt, as well as this inexplicable diff changing a closed AfD to be about himself. Looks like he also attempted to create Sarey (singer), which has been deleted.  Glenfarclas  ( talk ) 23:58, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Comments by accused parties
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Clerk, patrolling admin and checkuser comments
Argh, some people just flat-out refuse to understand anything. Blocked and tagged. –MuZemike 03:02, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Evidence submitted by Soap
Similar behavior to the last sock, including trying to start an article on Sarey Savy (which has been deleted at least 18 separate times under various titles) in his userspace. But because it's on the title blacklist, even that is not possible right now. This user claims to be a female in Redondo Beach, California, which makes me suspicious in and of itself because it was added almost immediately after I began to be suspicious, and because 'female' is a strange word to identify oneself with, almost as if they couldnt make their mind up whether to use 'girl' or 'woman', and he's used it twice so far. Based on his persistence on my talk page I now strongly doubt his claims that he's an unrelated third party.  — Soap  —  16:42, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Comments by accused parties
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Clerk, patrolling admin and checkuser comments

 * ✅. Brandon (talk) 00:36, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Evidence submitted by Soap
Another "female" (see the last SPI for why this caught my eye) who claims to be interested in Sarey Savy. Note that the statement on his userpage switches from 1st person to 3rd in the middle of the sentence, another sign that this person is faking his identity in an attempt to allay suspicion. This is at least the 20th time that he has attempted to create an article about himself; see the archives of this SPI for some of the past attempts. This has resulted in a blacklist entry blocking all articles containing the name Sarey anywhere in the title (the administrator who added the entry checked to make sure it wouldn't block legitimate creations.) To get around the blacklist, he's created his page at Trendy (singer). I'm not nominating the Trendy article for deletion because it would just get in the way of the SPI, but I assume it can be deleted without discussion as the creation of a banned user if the admins handling this SPI agree with me.  — Soap  —  14:52, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Comments by accused parties
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Clerk, patrolling admin and checkuser comments
Blocked, tagged, created articles deleted. Marked for close. &mdash;Kww(talk), 15:20, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Evidence submitted by Bsadowski1
Obvious sockpuppet of Channel 6/Sarey Savy socker. Edits are to Lyrica Anderson in which they put Sarey Savy in the album list. And the second edit was to a user talk page asking why the Sarey Savy article was deleted. -- B s a d o w s k i 1   05:25, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Comments by accused parties
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Clerk, patrolling admin and checkuser comments
It's pretty obvious it's Channel 6. -- B s a d o w s k i 1   05:25, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

✅ -- Avi (talk) 05:29, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

11 January 2011

 * Suspected sockpuppets




 * User compare report Auto-generated every hour.

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Three suspected socks each seem to have been created solely to post keep votes on this AFD: Articles_for_deletion/Synthkid. All votes were posted within 10 minutes of each other. They appear to have some understanding of Wiki policy and practice, enough to post superficially convincing !votes, so I suspect that another user is behind them. A likely candidate would be the article creator, User:China2987, but I could be wrong on that. K orr u ski Talk 10:11, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Comments by other users
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Another possible sock User:Forget the past, has placed a keep message on the same AFD. It is a new account with no other edits. Mattg82 (talk) 00:36, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
 * User have identified himself so I'm probably wrong. Mattg82 (talk) 01:22, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
 * He's identified himself as one of the people whom Savy was using as a source to establish notability ... soooo even if it isn't him, the keep !vote on the AfD doesn't help his case much. But that's another issue.  I'm suspicious, though, since I notice Forget the past made the same typo in his sig that Sarey Savy often does.  Either he copied Savy or he is Savy.   —  Soap  —  01:25, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I've also added .  — Soap  —  02:27, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah he has just messaged me to state my opinion on the AFD, and there is a related page Sophia Sanh created by Forget the past which is tagged for speedy delete and which is contested by Goalswork. Both BLPs are people from Cambodia, erm. Mattg82 (talk) 02:36, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Added The Ultimate Fohawk! to the list, another dubious account !keep at AFD. Mattg82 (talk) 02:59, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Yet another one : LARGENOTESSSS, asking on the AFD talk page to make a edit as it is now semi-protected. The brackets around the sig is a dead giveaway. Mattg82 (talk) 04:10, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * - Likely, but CU will clarify. (And for some reason one of these usernames looks familiar.. anyone have any ideas?) —  Hello Annyong  (say whaaat?!) 13:14, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
 * A couple of things appear to be going on here. First, all of these accounts are ✅ as being the same person, along with . Secondly, the range seems to be a proxy service that has been used by at least two other prolific sockers. I'm leaning towards the conclusion these are separate accounts and the appearance of the other sockers on the range is a coincidence. I'll put down a rangeblock and we'll see what happens. TN X Man  14:58, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm inclined to close this then, with no action for now, and wait to see if the edit patterns continue. Would that make sense? —  Hello Annyong  (say whaaat?!) 15:07, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, the listed accounts are all the same person. Whatever action you feel appropriate for dealing with them would be OK. I would suggest blocking all but the oldest and reminding them they may only have one account. TN X Man  15:14, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah okay, I misunderstood the results. I've blocked and tagged all the socks, and blocked the master for three days for puppeting. —  Hello Annyong  (say whaaat?!) 15:59, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you. The original account is, whose SPI is Sockpuppet investigations/Channel 6; should this be moved there?  I had been planning to just tolerate the obvious sockpuppets since all that really matters to this person is getting his article on Wikipedia, and I was hoping he'd give up if the AfD closes as Delete.  But I suppose it makes it easier if we get rid of the sock !votes on the AfD so we don't have to explain the difficulties of consensus versus head count voting.  —  Soap  —  17:52, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Interesting. Yeah, you're probably right that they're the same person - or at least somehow associated with that account. Still, part of me wants to leave it separate for now. And went through the AFD and struck all the confirmed socks. —  Hello Annyong  (say whaaat?!) 20:21, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'm relisting to check these two new accounts. —  Hello Annyong  (say whaaat?!) 02:37, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, and I've moved this case over to the case for Channel 6. And I've indef blocked China2987. —  Hello Annyong  (say whaaat?!) 03:13, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

All accounts reported above are ✅ as Channel 6. –MuZemike 03:15, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Note that LARGENOTESSSS was added after MuZemike made the above comment. At this time, LARGENOTESSSS  has not been confirmed by checkuser.&mdash;Kww(talk) 05:11, 12 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Waiting to close pending CU comment on the account  Nakon  05:16, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Also ✅. Same set of IPs and UAs. You know, you don't have to wait for me in WP:DUCK cases like this. –MuZemike 05:17, 12 January 2011 (UTC)