Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Charliestalnaker/Archive

Suspected sockpuppets
I discovered this possible socking after reading and investigating WP:AN. I found it very odd that both the master and the new account both created pages about Draft:Jason Moore (master) and Jason Moore (writer) (sock). Although no offense to, it does not seem that he is sufficiently notable to attract the attention of two users, seemingly independently. Then, I also noticed the intersection of the two accounts on China Eastern Airlines Flight 5735 and the similarity in edit summaries, especially with the sock using unusually detailed summaries for a new user. I've requested a CU because given the limited number of edits made by the new account, this could be coincidence. Bbb23 (talk) 15:31, 25 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks, and no worries, I'm not offended. I, too, noticed the similarities, but mostly I'm concerned about the incorrect and unsourced information about me in the live space currently. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:35, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Understandable. :-) --Bbb23 (talk) 15:38, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

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Here's some accounts: I'm going to say that technically these are all using the same physical device, though whether it's more than one person in the same household is impossible to say. Charliestalnaker and RTripathiKarnataka overlap in this AfD. Charliestalnaker and CandyStalnak obviously have a similar name, but no other obvious overlap. It's not clear how GeorgeSpectacular fits into all this, but he does. -- zzuuzz (talk) 16:36, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Blocked and tagged all as proven. Closing. Bbb23 (talk) 17:28, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
To preface everything, I have never interacted with this user but am irked at their abusive use of accounts and edit warring, particularly on the talk page for Elizabeth II. This should not be taken as a personal attack towards this person.

I am NOT buying the schtick that this person and this person's daughter are using the same computer in the household, as if its 2 different people and truly 2 different accounts. The tone (this vs. this for instance; similar "hatred" of Wikipedia) is identical between the two accounts. Both are engaging in the same type of aggressive edit warring and discussion that doesn't belong here.

Furthermore, the "newer" account's contributions skyrocketed after their sockmaster's indefinite block in July, going from editing sporadically throughout the beginning of the year to several times a week in September and October (beginning at the end of August), filling multiple pages of contributions. Why, pray tell, was CandyStalnak not as active before? Because Charliestalnaker was the main account, surely. Does a father really go into detailed discussions about their block, SPI, or otherwise with the daughter at the dinner table? (1 and 2)

This whole thing is just silly and should be taken for what it is; this person is a sock and they are continuing to edit disruptively. Are they really "civil, formal, and nice"? (Also note both accounts' avoidance of contractions in their writing). As another stylistic choice, they also add links onto talk pages in the same way using bare URLs (this vs. this).

None of this daughter/dad nonsense. Same type of edit warring. Same diction. Or, I guess the apple doesn't fall far from the tree? — That Coptic Guy (let's talk?) 15:56, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

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 * @Zzuuzz - Thanks for your investigative work and care. — That Coptic Guy (let's talk?) 21:01, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello . Today / suddenly appears (three days after CandyStalnak's block), seven years later, to prematurely close an RFC in CandyStalnak's favour. Something seems suspicious. GoodDay (talk) 03:45, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * Checkuser remains clear: they're in the same place (no comment on the strength of the case, but the CU results are very clear). Marked as checked; . -- zzuuzz (talk) 16:37, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Blocked as a sockpuppet. -- zzuuzz (talk) 19:57, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
Highly suspicious account; first edit was to Adminstrator's Noticeboards Incidents, and the editor has only edited on two separate days (2015-09-22, and 2022-10-15), seven years apart. Maybe others familiar with other sock puppeting might have some knowledge of whether this account might possibly be related to some other one...? Just seems to be a very suspicious account based on the ANI and RfC edits. --- Avatar317 (talk) 06:17, 15 October 2022 (UTC) --- Avatar317 (talk) 06:17, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

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 * See Sockpuppet investigations/Charliestalnaker. Spicy (talk) 11:59, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Handled at Sockpuppet investigations/Charliestalnaker. Closing. MarioGom (talk) 21:34, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
 * This case was originally filed at Sockpuppet investigations/F117IS. I have merged it here so that future reports of socks of this master are filed in one place. Mz7 (talk) 02:01, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
  Pops up after years to super vote close an RFC in the manner the other sock was arguing for. It's pretty likely in my eyes, but looking for verification. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 02:07, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

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 * Take a look. . GenuineArt (talk) 17:01, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * You can also block the sock since "possible" conclusion by CU proves that this is a block evading sock. GenuineArt (talk) 03:41, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

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 * - Please, check the account. It is obviously a sock, but it'd be helpful to clarify if it's Charliestalnaker's sock. Also see Sockpuppet investigations/F117IS, we might need a merge later. MarioGom (talk) 10:04, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Technically to . --Blablubbs (talk) 13:22, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * - F117IS has a few socking red flags: signs up in 2015 with early ANI participation and goes away with almost no editing activity, comes back years later right at the time to close a discussion in support of another sock, with a very interesting timing (given the long absence period). Other similarities to CandyStalnak (and the CU result) are there, but I think they are a bit lacking to determine a connection to the original master. Please, consider a block without tags. Thank you. MarioGom (talk) 21:27, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
 * This does look like a WP:DUCK to me: I am convinced F117IS is CandyStalnak based on a combination of the behavioral and technical evidence. (I'm assuming we've already concluded that CandyStalnak is a sock of this Charliestalnaker master as they were blocked citing this SPI, and their username is quite similar.), closing. Noting for the record that this account self-disclosed (ends in '2' instead of 'S') as an old account to which they lost the password, see ; no action needed now against that account. Mz7 (talk) 01:48, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I was beaten to the block and tag by ScottishFinnishRadish who evidently came to the same conclusion. Mz7 (talk) 01:50, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that. I forgot about this, it just have slipped past on my watchlist. I saw the earlier section archived and it reminded me. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 01:52, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets

 * ( original case name)

User accounts NewGeorge2, and Denmarkforever were created within days of one-another and then both made it their first major piece of business to begin to edit war and argue over the exact same issue on the exact same BLP: see the talk page and mid-December edit history for Emily St. John Mandel. This led to an RfC that I was summoned to by FRS bot notice, but I and most of the other respondents failed to notice the connection. It was only when going back to see how the discussion was getting on that I noticed another user, had noticed the similarities and suspicious timing of the account creation. I decided to look a little deeper at their edit histories, and sure enough, there's way too much in common for these two supposedly random new accounts showing up to argue the same points on the same article: both accounts have since then gone on to edit almost exclusively about Vancouver institutions and Canadian politicians. There's only a few dozen edits between the two accounts, but it's all about as WP:DUCK as you can get within that constraint.

Note also that the NewGeorge2 user page also talks about yet another older account, but the user claims to have forgotten the user name. There's also some other behavioural similarities between the two that I'm going to avoid going into per WP:BEANS, but I think the overlap will be obvious to anyone looking at the Mandel talk page discussions. Anyway, thought it warranted a checkuser (assuming this one doesn't just get blocked on behavioural evidence alone, which wouldn't shock me). SnowRise let's rap 07:23, 12 January 2023 (UTC) Sn</b><b style="color:#99d5fe;">o</b><b style="color:#b2dffe;">w</b><b style="color:#B27EB2;">Rise</b><b style="color:#d4143a"> let's rap</b> 07:23, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

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 * Marking as - requested in original. &mdash; Mdaniels5757 (talk &bull; contribs) 17:30, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

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 * . --Blablubbs (talk) 17:38, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
 * They're both to Sockpuppet investigations/Charliestalnaker. Additionally:
 * ✅ to :
 * ✅ to :
 * Merged, --Blablubbs (talk) 17:48, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Merged, --Blablubbs (talk) 17:48, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Merged, --Blablubbs (talk) 17:48, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Merged, --Blablubbs (talk) 17:48, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Merged, --Blablubbs (talk) 17:48, 14 January 2023 (UTC)