Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Cherryrain/Archive

Report date August 3 2009, 09:11 (UTC)

 * Suspected sockpuppets

Background: The Parys Sylver ('PS') article was recently deleted at AfD for the third time. I won't go into all the boring detail here (there's more at the linked AfD if you need it) - but basically, for several years, there has been a calculated, web-wide attempt to generate 'buzz' for this non-notable person using many different methods, using user-submitted content sites (including Wikipedia) to manufacture grandiose claims, claims of associations/feuds with various celebrities and various other controversial stuff that would violate BLP to even discuss here.
 * Evidence submitted by Kurt Shaped Box (talk)

Anyhow - the issue at hand. Kookee22 created the PS article for the third time. Firegirl223, a user inactive since 2006 (and a previous creator of the PS article) appeared to vote 'keep'. Firegirl223 is a user who has aggressively promoted PS (and his alleged projects) in the past and appears (based on my familiarity with the situation) to use the same style of writing and (circular) debate as Kookee22 employed at the AfD - as did the IP 72.208.58.63. Both Kookee22 and the IP seem familiar with and make reference to things that happened on WP years previously too, which also leads me to believe that they are not new users.

Now, going further back (and I realize that this is probably stale as far as checkuser is concerned - but I ask you to consider the behavioural evidence). The PS article was first created by (the blocked) User:Cherryrain - another user who writes and argues in the same WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT style as both Kookee22 and Firegirl223. This user, however is also connected to a sneaky hoax attempt, involving quite a few sockpuppets back in 2005. See user contribs and Articles for deletion/CrystalCherry (including talk) for the full drama. This was also aggressively promoted all over the web in a similar manner to PS at the time (free press release sites, etc.) and took a lot of time and effort to resolve. TBH, It's probably the case that all the users mentioned here are sockpuppets of the blocked user behind the CrystalCherry case.

Now, take a look at the article history of Trevor Blumas - Firegirl223, Cherryrain and Parys (another blatant WP:DUCK case, as far as I'm concerned) - all making vastly similar, hugely BLP-violating edits (note: PS claims to be writing a book about the above mentioned situation).

Right. I realize that this is a fairly complicated situation involving far more than just the latest AfD, so if you need more details or clarification, just ask. Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 09:11, 3 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Now that it's been established that Kookee22=Firegirl223, here's some diffs to substantially-similar edits on Trevor Blumas that link Firegirl223 to the other two named accounts.


 * Example Blumas-related edits
 * Firegirl223's edit (one of many, inserting similar claims)
 * Parys' edit
 * Cherryrain edit (one of many, substantially similar)


 * Example mentions of 'Parys Sylver'
 * Firegirl223, with addition mentions of books and Blumas
 * Parys - (on Blumas again) an attempt to hawk one of PS's books
 * (deleted - admins only) Cherryrain, first creation of PS article


 * It's also worth noting the deleted edits (admin only) here. Both Parys and Cherryrain rumormongering and hoaxing.


 * It's blatantly obvious to me that these accounts are all the same person (I can provide many more diffs, if required). I suppose that technically, they would all be sockpuppets of the blocked user Cherryrain (Category:Suspected Wikipedia sockpuppets of Cherryrain - IIRC there were more listed back then but some of the socks' userpages have been routinely deleted over the years). --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 20:50, 3 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Comments by accused parties    See Defending yourself against claims.

There are actually threads about this. Believe whatever you want. Kookee22 (talk) 18:17, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

My one and only comment is that I am a fan of parys' music and books. Sorry that you don't have either books music or movies to watch and you don't have fans. I see that you're the one with the obsession. It clearly states that. The other profile Cherryrain hasn't even been active since 2006. The fact that you are claiming we are the same person is pathetic. And that's all i will add to this entire mess. Kookee22 (talk) 21:03, 3 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Comments by other users

Requested by Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 09:11, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * CheckUser requests


 * Clerk, patrolling admin and checkuser comments


 * Kookee22 and Firegirl223 are ✅; Parys and Cherryrain are ; no comment on IP(s) at this time. – Luna Santin  (talk) 13:50, 3 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree with KSB that these accounts are pretty clearly the same user. If blocks come down on that basis (which, I imagine, KSB can do himself) I'll move this case to Cherryrain. Nathan  T 20:53, 3 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay, I've blocked them all. too (after another look through the Blumas edit history). I've also tagged  per WP:DUCK for edits such as this and this. Just wanted to acknowledge those here for the record. --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 10:21, 4 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Also - and  tagged on behavioural evidence. Again, just for the record. --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 10:40, 4 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Ok, thanks. Just to note, we don't typically tag IPs. I think this case is resolved, adding the close tag below. Nathan  T 17:38, 4 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Conclusions