Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/CindyRoleder/Archive

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CindyRoleder and FlyingKicks have been edit-warring in the article on Irreligion.

When posting on a talk page, both editors create a new heading every time they make a new post (even if there is already a section on the topic).
 * CindyRoleder 14:54-56, 13 April 2017 this was a reply to 186.151.60.76 at 23:02, 12 April 2017
 * FlyingKicks 14:48, 10 May 2017 this was a reply to EdJohnston at 13:21, 10 May 2017
 * FlyingKicks 15:05, 10 May 2017 this was a reply to 186.151.60.140 at 17:55, 13 April 2017
 * FlyingKicks 15:10, 10 May 2017, there were already two sections on edit warring at Irreligion on User talk:CindyRoleder
 * FlyingKicks 15:14, 10 May 2017 there were already two sections on Germany data on Talk:Irreligion
 * FlyingKicks 15:21, 10 May 2017 this was a reply to EdJohnston at 15:14, 10 May 2017
 * FlyingKicks 16:41, 10 May 2017 this was a follow up to his/her post of 15:21 on the same page
 * FlyingKicks 19:35, 10 May 2017 this was a reply to Toddy1 at 18:01, 10 May 2017
 * FlyingKicks 05:30, 11 May 2017 this was a response to EdJohnston at 22:26, 10 May 2017
 * FlyingKicks 06:06, 11 May 2017 this was a reply to Toddy1 at 05:47, 11 May 2017

On the article on Irreligion CindyRoleder and FlyingKicks repeatedly removed ref name="fowid" and set the percentage irreligion for Germany as 55 or 59%.
 * CindyRoleder 12:21, 5 April 2017
 * CindyRoleder 07:50-14:48, 10 April 2017
 * CindyRoleder 17:07-17:44, 10 April 2017
 * CindyRoleder 19:42-19:44, 11 April 2017
 * CindyRoleder 05:33-05:37, 12 April 2017
 * CindyRoleder 13:01-14:21, 13 April 2017
 * CindyRoleder 15:53, 13 April 2017
 * CindyRoleder 17:10, 13 April 2017
 * FlyingKicks 09:34-09:38, 8 May 2017
 * FlyingKicks 05:33, 10 May 2017
 * FlyingKicks 19:42, 10 May 2017, 20:21, 10 May 2017 two further reverts to the same table, but deleting newer citations than ref name="fowid" but with the same intent of having percentage irreligion for Germany as 59.  (He she could not delete ref name="fowid" as it had not been restored.)

Both have made edits to articles on Malta.
 * CindyRoleder
 * List of Maltese records in athletics:, , ,
 * FlyingKicks
 * Maltese general election, 1921
 * Norman Lowell

I suspect that CindyRoleder is not this editor's first user name. Please check if they are related to some other known master.-- Toddy1 (talk) 08:25, 11 May 2017 (UTC)  Toddy1 (talk) 08:25, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

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I looked at their global contributions and found . H1N111, a globally locked SP of ELreydeEspana may be related/the master. H1N111 tried to inflate the number of irreligious people in a similar fashion, (unsourced changes of statistical data on Irreligion en and es wp). However, ELreydeEspana operated IP´s from Guatemala; whereas these socks seem to be related to Maltese IP´s. JimRenge (talk) 15:05, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Did you mean that User:ELreydeEspana, User:H1N111, User:CindyRoleder and User:FlyingKicks actually was the same person, but using difference kind of network IP range connection device from difference country to make unsourced or disputed content at Irreligion article?  S A 1 3 B r o  (talk) 16:47, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
 * The edits for FlyingKicks and CindyRoleder were the only ones I noticed on the pages I was monitoring. The behaviors and the edits are pretty much the same. However, considering that this editor is persistently obsessed with the WIN/Gallup study and Germany on irreligion and even the demographics of atheism pages, I would not be surprised if they have more sockpuppet accounts on global wikipedia pages trying to alter the numbers.Huitzilopochtli1990 (talk) 01:34, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
 * The overlapping edits by CindyRoleder/FlyingKicks/Maltese IP´s:217*/141.8.61.* and some ELreydeEspana socks/Guatemaltecan IP´s  on the irrelegion articles on en, es, it wp may be a coincidence. Perhaps Taichi, admin on the Spanish wp and expert on ELreydeEspana, is interested in Irreligión.  JimRenge (talk) 10:15, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the message . ELreydeEspana's goal is modify information about irreligion and white people in Latin America. Also, in my previous experiences, this user is capable to make hard harrasment, including hounding via social media. He tried to search my personal information in Internet and then he put me a supposed "personal name" in Spanish Wikipedia, violated my privacy. --Taichi (talk) 18:34, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Per EdJohnston consensus was right. CindyRoleder was interested about Irreligion or Religion in Germany and Maltese, not Latin America, so CindyRoleder it can't be possible related to ELreydeEspana.  S A 1 3 B r o  (talk) 20:28, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

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 * CindyRoleder and FlyingKicks are most definitely ✅, which is fairly obvious anyway. There is some strange stuff going on on one of the IPs that has been used, but I'm unsure at this time whether it represents a massive sleeper farm or something more innocuous. I will ask for a second opinion on this off-wiki, but for now, please feel free to close this case. Yunshui 雲 水 13:10, 11 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the check. If you believe more investigation is called for, you might look at the Italian Wikipedia. See it:Speciale:Contributi/CindyRoleder. Cindy and FlyingKicks are both making similar changes at it:Irreligiosità. The IP 217.71.190.138 seems to be the same person over there. Here on the English Wikipedia, Special:Contributions/217.71.190.138 looks to have similar behavior to Cindy and FlyingKicks. The IP is now blocked one year by User:Widr, apparently due to warring and content blanking on various articles. That IP has edited Irreligion, Religion in Germany and Secular state. EdJohnston (talk) 14:06, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
 * CindyRoleder seems mostly interested in Germany, not South America, so Sockpuppet investigations/ELreydeEspana is probably not related. EdJohnston (talk) 18:27, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
 * ELreydeEspana had some IPs from Guatemala while CindyRoleder used the 217.* IP from Malta, so I'm still not seeing a reason to connect these two cases geographically. EdJohnston (talk) 13:23, 12 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Case closed.  Vanjagenije  (talk)  20:38, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

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This IP was blocked initially for 1 year in March 2017 by User:Widr, apparently due to warring and content blanking on various articles, and is mentioned in Sockpuppet investigations/CindyRoleder/Archive as having similar behavior to CindyRoleder and and his/her sockpuppet FlyingKicks. The block was later reduced to 6 months.

A quick look at Special:Contributions/217.71.190.138 shows that he/she has exactly the same interests in November 2017 as the IP editor had in March 2017. So it is the same person using the IP.

Irreligion  Toddy1 (talk) 15:15, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
 * CindyRoleder and his/her sock were in the habit of changing the percentage irreligion for Germany from 34% to 55 or 59%. There is a list of diffs showing this at Sockpuppet investigations/CindyRoleder/Archive
 * The IP editor has done much the same thing, changing the percentage from 21-34 to 62%.

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I see the same problem with who is teaming up with 217.71.190.138 on Religion in Germany. Please see. JimRenge (talk) 17:18, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

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 * - Clearly a static IP being used by the same blocked editor. Please block for 1 year. Sro23 (talk) 15:46, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
 * for 1 year, closing. TonyBallioni (talk) 20:19, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

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77.71.210.138 was blocked two times for evasion of CindyRoleder´s block. When her/his last block ended (14 November 2017) (s)he started again to edit CindyRoleder´s preferred topics: the percentage of irreligion for Germany and other countries,. 77.71.210.138 reinstated the edit of, , who was blocked yesterday as a likely sock of CindyRoleder. JimRenge (talk) 05:48, 21 November 2017 (UTC); supplemented JimRenge (talk) 06:40, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

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Some cases where 217.71.190.138 and 77.71.210.138 have made much the same edit to articles:
 * Religion in the European Union "rates of belief" changed to "the rate of belief"
 * 217.71.190.13
 * 77.71.210.138


 * Religion in Europe "rates of belief" changed to "the rate of belief"
 * 217.71.190.13
 * 77.71.210.138


 * Irreligion in Germany identical edits done in each case in a number of steps
 * 217.71.190.13
 * 77.71.210.138

-- Toddy1 (talk) 14:42, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Religion in France 33% changed to 27% (this is actually a good edit, 27% is the number in the source).
 * 217.71.190.13
 * 77.71.210.138

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 * IP now blocked, closing. GABgab 01:51, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

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Same type of edits about the number of atheists in Germany, see Special:Diff/868338936/868756062 and others. Geolocates to same place in Malta as previously blocked IP socks. IamNotU (talk) 13:59, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

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This edit  is very similar to this edit  by 217.71.190.138, a blocked sock of Cindy Roleder. See also. JimRenge (talk) 16:41, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

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 * Blocked, case closed. Courcelles (talk) 01:17, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

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88.203.78.103, an IP from Malta, reinstates  edits by 217.71.190.138 and 77.71.210.138, who have been blocked as a sock of Cindy Roleder ,. JimRenge (talk) 15:42, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

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 * Blocked the IP for a while. Not seeing any viable range to block, unfortunately. Case closed. Courcelles (talk) 01:18, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

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IP 1 from Malta was blocked as a sock for three months on 14 November 2018 by. After the block expired, is back to disruptive editing in the same "irreligion in Germany" and other subjects. IP 2, also from Malta, has significant crossover in Irreligion in Germany, Cynthia Rothrock, Women in firefighting, Winter Olympic games, etc. They are both also editing "irreligion" articles on other Wikipedia sites (French, Spanish, Italian, etc.) IamNotU (talk) 13:12, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

See also this discussion where the second IP carries on a conversation as obviously the same person as the first:,. --IamNotU (talk) 16:57, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

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I see that IP 217.71.190.216 was already blocked in November 2018. Yes it is the banned user User:CindyRoleder. 217.71.190.216 sounds the same as CindyRoleder and FlyingKicks. For instance, 217.71.190.216 constantly talks about inflated numbers in Germany or irreligion, mentions the WIN/GIA (Worldwide Independent Network/Gallup International Association) study quite a bit, the "Atheism Scale", and edits irreligion and Germany pages constantly. Here is 217.71.190.216, here is one of User:FlyingKicks edits  and here is User:CindyRoleder's talk page. She argues in a similar fashion each time for overblown numbers on Germany. On top of that, the the biggest give away is that User:FlyingKicks sounds very much like IP 217.71.190.216. See the irreligion talk page here under the "Germany data" section for FlyingKicks's comments (crossed out) and the "Germany and Singapore data" section for IP 217.71.190.216's comments.

Furthermore, the "Germany and Singapore data" section is pretty much old and dead since 2017 and yet only 217.71.190.216 keeps coming back to it months later to continue the dead discussion with the same arguments.

I also see that she has been editing other Wikipedia articles in other languages. Can she be blocked globally to stop pestering on other wikipedias in other languages? One editor mentioned that 217.71.190.216 was editing: fr.wiki, es.wiki and it.wiki. &#32;Huitzilopochtli1990 (talk) 04:29, 30 March 2019 (UTC)


 * The same person with IP 141.8.119.87 replied today verifying they are the same person as 217.71.190.216 . Can you block that IP accordingly for the same time as 217.71.190.216?&#32;Huitzilopochtli1990 (talk) 16:55, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

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 * The two IPs reported above are both from Malta. The first of them was checkuser-blocked for three months by User:Courcelles in the past. I would be inclined to block for two years for abusing multiple accounts and  for six months, since its history is shorter. EdJohnston (talk) 18:00, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I have now blocked the two IPs with the durations I proposed just above. Unless there is anything more to do, I think this can be closed. EdJohnston (talk) 02:59, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

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Obvious sock from the same IP range and geolocation in Malta as before, back for another go at erasing Germany from the Irreligion article as usual:, etc. IamNotU (talk) 01:18, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

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''Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.'' Indeed, that IP is indistinguishable from CindyRoleder: WP:DUCK. JimRenge (talk) 01:38, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
 * CindyRoleder is obsessed with the idea that more Germans are irreligious (59%) than reliable sources report (see, section "Blocked sock"). Because all attempts by CindyRoleder and their socks to inflate the numbers of irreligious people in Germany have been reverted by several editors, they may think it is a good idea to remove reliably sourced info without explanation:

141.8.119.87 (blocked sock IP):

217.71.190.201 repeats this removal of sourced content ,

I do not believe that the geolocation of this IP and all previous sock IP´s in Malta is a coincidence. It is difficult to imagine that there are more editors of en wp in Malta (population 493,559) who are obsessed with this idea. JimRenge (talk) 01:58, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

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— Berean Hunter   (talk)  03:28, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Blocked three months and closed.