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27 September 2014

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Both relatively new accounts, both supporting each other in an argument over a montage on the paris article, both use the same style of language. Sesto Elemento uses TOURISTIC as does the suspected master, Darkness Shines (talk) 00:54, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Adding 2a01:e34:eeac:bd40:1d6:bd24:1e84:59a5 as it was just used to cast a vote, and then for reasons unknown added the suspected masters sig to the comment. The suspect master has already voted in this discussion. Darkness Shines (talk) 09:52, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

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A long, tortuous and heated discussion on the Talk:Paris page has led to some monumentally suspiscious accounts coming along to vote (not !vote) on the issue in hand. A number of new accounts have been set up by members of a skyscraper forum website, most of which are SPAs. Clouchicloucha's history is an example of this SPA approach, especially when you consider he is a moderator on the Skyscraper site.

This has now taken a further twist, away from the meat puppet angle, and into socking. Clouchicloucha's vote may be all well and good (ignoring the meat issue), but then this IP vote came in, to which Clouchicloucha added his name to the sig, still as an IP. A second vote (one logged in and one logged out) is unacceptable, and evidence of probable socking. SchroCat (talk) 11:27, 27 September 2014 (UTC)


 * This is ridiculous, if Clouchicloucha and SestoElemeto use the same error it is because they are French. "Touristic" is a common mistake that a French will do when writing in English.
 * The traduction of the word "tourist" as an adjective in the French language is the word Touristique. I think everybody can easily understand how "Touristique" become "Touristic", this can be hard to understand for a French that the noon (Tourist) and the adjective (Tourist) have the same spelling in English while they are different in French (noun = Touriste) (adjective = Touristique). I did this mistake a lot of time in the past. Minato ku (talk) 22:21, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure it was just Clouchicloucha voting twice. The IPv6 translates to 30.132.89.165, which is pretty bizarre. THE PROMENADER  23:24, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Most likely using a proxy using IPv6 translation. THE PROMENADER  13:15, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
 * There is several bizarre points in this case. Like many other I did see Clouchicloucha written with the signature of mysterious account at some point but not anymore. Who deleted the Clouchicloucha that was visible at some point ? It is neither this mysterious account nor Clouchicloucha . The second mystery is that the Clouchicloucha in the signature was added by the mysterious account . Why someone who would want vote twice would do intentionally a such mistake? Minato ku (talk) 00:12, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I think I can solve the first mystery, I think that the Clouchicloucha has never been visibly written with the signature, it is visible only when puting the curser on the "talk", this has never been deleted but this doesn't solve the second mystery. Minato ku (talk) 00:44, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * CheckUser is not going to comment on the IP, and I'm not convinced that Clouchicloucha and Sesto Elemento are the same user. This appears, however, to be a case of off-wiki canvassing and SPA agenda pushing. Clouchicloucha and Sesto Elemento are user names at the Skyscrapercity.com forum which makes me believe that they've also registered their accounts individually at Wikipedia. Actually Clouchicloucha registered already year ago but Sesto Elemonto appeared at Wikipedia only two days after Clouchicloucha got involved in the ongoing discussion about the Paris article. De728631 (talk) 16:17, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Then Sesto Elemonto needs blocking per WP:MEAT & Clouchicloucha needs a short block for the IP socking. I am posting here per IAR and so my comment is not lost it the noise above. Darkness Shines (talk) 09:16, 28 September 2014 (UTC)


 * It's pretty clear that Clouchicloucha and Sesto Elemento are separate people who were canvassed by SkyscraperCity user Minato Ku at . Regarding the IP, it's obviously Clouchicloucha, but I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, i.e. assume that they logged out by mistake. Since they are not the same person, an indefinite block would not be appropriate, and since the discussion is long over a temporary block would only be punitive. Clouchicloucha and Sesto Elemento: Consider this your final warning never to participate in discussions where you were externally solicited, or to solicit others to participate in such discussions yourself. Closing. King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 03:26, 3 October 2014 (UTC)