Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Cooljuno411/Archive

Report date May 2 2009, 03:56 (UTC)

 * Suspected sockpuppets


 * Evidence submitted by - ℅ &#10032; ALLST☆R &#10032; echo
 * StealthyVlad has edited from 72.199.59.67 per diff and diff.
 * StealthyVlad has also edited from 72.199.62.229 per diff and per same diff, !voted in defense/support of a content Rfc brought by Cooljuno411 - this being his first edit in 6 months which supports either socking or meating.
 * 72.199.59.67's only edit was in defense/support !voting of Cooljuno411 in a template content change discussion.
 * Per this August 2008 ANI thead, concerns about socking were brought up but never followed through on.
 * Obvious relationship between the 2 usernames (StealthyVlad and Cooljuno411) per diff and today's diff.
 * StealthyVlad's edits are mostly in arguments in !voting support of Cooljuno411 at Template talk:Sexual orientation.
 * StealthyVlad suddenly showed up today after having not edited in 4 months to !vote in support of Cooljuno411 in an open Afd regarding an article Cooljuno411 created and which has been deleted in the past.
 * ALEKS1013 only edits to Wikipedia have been defense/support !voting of Cooljuno411 per the edit history.
 * ALEKS1013 !voted first, immediately followed by 72.199.59.67 per diff. (Full archive here)
 * ALEKS1013, 72.199.59.67 and StealthyVlad's very first edits occur in a relatively obscure part of Wikipedia (a template talk page: Template talk:Sexual orientation) that new users might not necessarily know about. This raises a red flag.
 * StealthyVlad left a vandalism warning at User talk:Theking1206 which included directing Theking1206 to WP:VAND, at a time within StealthyVlad's own edit history that generally, new users don't know WP: shortcuts or wiki-linking.
 * Cooljuno411 "fixed" StealthyVlad's signature per diff.
 * Cooljuno411 has been blocked before in regards to edit warring at Sexual orientation.


 * Comments by accused parties    See Defending yourself against claims.

Wow, thanks for not sending me a message that i was being put on trial..... are you usually supposed to do that?


 * This "evidnece" personally gives me a lolz.... You are basically trying to accuse me that these are all my puppets, or whatever, because they have similar opinions to me???? Som should i open a case on you, claiming that people who agreed with you are puppets???--cooljuno411 20:07, 2 May 2009 (UTC)


 * StealthyVlad has edited from 72.199.59.67 per diff and diff.
 * K, cool... ??? Don't see the evidence....


 * StealthyVlad has also edited from 72.199.62.229 per diff and per same diff, !voted in defense/support of a content Rfc brought by Cooljuno411 - this being his first edit in 6 months which supports either socking or meating.
 * Another "K???"


 * 72.199.59.67's only edit was in defense/support !voting of Cooljuno411 in a template content change discussion.
 * Cool, and there were people in support of your opinions too... : \ (still don't see the "evidence", it all been rather assumtive and theorized so far...)


 * Per this August 2008 ANI thead, concerns about socking were brought up but never followed through on.
 * Yep.... point..... Are you going to bring in my bathing habits as evidence too??? (because it appears rather beside the point).


 * Obvious relationship between the 2 usernames (StealthyVlad and Cooljuno411) per diff and today's diff.
 * Nothing wrong with knowing another person that happens to use the 7th most popular site on the internet (or did i miss the wiki policy that says "editors may not know another editor in real life, or they will get their accounts banned")


 * StealthyVlad's edits are mostly in arguments in !voting support of Cooljuno411 at Template talk:Sexual orientation.
 * And that Ludwig2 guy is always in support with you....


 * StealthyVlad suddenly showed up today after having not edited in 4 months to !vote in support of Cooljuno411 in an open Afd regarding an article Cooljuno411 created and which has been deleted in the past.
 * K???? I go some time with out editng wikipedia too. Is there a time limit or something????


 * ALEKS1013 only edits were also in defense/support !voting of Cooljuno411 per the edit history.
 * As i said above, so were Ludwig2's on your behalf..... BenjoBoi too????


 * ALEKS1013 !voted first, immediately followed by 72.199.59.67 per diff. (Full archive here)
 * Point?????


 * ALEKS1013, 72.199.59.67 and StealthyVlad's very first edits occur in a relatively obscure part of Wikipedia (a template talk page: Template talk:Sexual orientation) that new users might not necessarily know about. This raises a red flag.
 * Obscure???? Sex is part of human culture.... the 2 things for a soceity to contue is substance and reproduction.... so your statement is rather ambiguous....


 * StealthyVlad left a vandalism warning at User talk:Theking1206 which included directing Theking1206 to WP:VAND, at a time within StealthyVlad's own edit history that generally, new users don't know WP: shortcuts or wiki-linking.
 * Appears to me that he has had talk page activity since 2007..... not that new sounding to me....


 * Cooljuno411 "fixed" StealthyVlad's signature per diff.
 * Hope someone would do the same for me....


 * Cooljuno411 has been blocked before in regards to edit warring at Sexual orientation.
 * And the correlates to having a puppet how???


 * Comments by other users


 * Observation of identifiable patterns: The style of typographical errors is identical for each puppet, as we can plainly see that they always tend to transpose and/or mistakenly select the wrong letters of the alphabet the same way every time, in the very same fashion as Cooljuno411 has done in all of his misspelled words. All of the puppets' keyboarding mistakes, grammatical mistakes (e.g., "your" versus "you're"; failure to make predicate and subject verb agreement in number or person ["is" versus "are", "make" versus "makes", yadda yadda]) and accidental omissions of some parts of his words follow an identical pattern of typography. Although you haven't yet confirmed definitively via CheckUser, we can already see that he's starting to quack like a WP:DUCK. Even in his attempts to deflect our concerns with an explanation which borders on an admission of MeatPuppet canvassing, we can observe his repeating the exact same style of typos, and his meat/socks have refused to answer polite requests for explanation of how they suddenly magically appeared at the exact place and time for the most opportune gaming of our processes. ~Teledildonix314~Talk~4-1-1~ 21:54, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
 * This is a lil puppet thing to do with somehow knowing the person (i guess).... so sorry nancy drew, you got the wrong case : [--cooljuno411 23:29, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Requested by - ℅ &#10032; ALLST☆R &#10032; echo 03:56, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
 * CheckUser requests


 * - Tiptoety  talk 05:43, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Additional information needed: Please provide a code letter. SPCUClerkbot (talk) 03:56, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Clerk, patrolling admin and checkuser comments

The code C is for attempting !Vote fraud on a recreation of a topic which has already been deleted against the POV wishes of the suspect user previously, and the code F is for attempting to alter a systemwide template for multiple wikiprojects (Template:Sexual Orientation ) as an underhanded way to bolster their POV fork instead of accepting multiple offers for alternative solutions to outright deletion or merging. ~Teledildonix314~Talk~4-1-1~ 00:50, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

ALEKS1013 is quite old, and there is no data on the account. Based on geographical proximity, it is that StealthyVlad is related to Cooljuno411, but there is no definitive connection. Dominic·t 21:24, 3 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Of course sockpuppet will be a little more hard to prove in this case but there is no doubt whatsoever that meatpuppeting has occurred.
 * 1) An Afd involving an article Cooljuno411 created, is opened.
 * 2) As has happened in the past with these 2 users, StealthyVlad, after 4 months of no edits, shows up to !vote in favor of keeping the aticle. Cooljuno411 says StealthyVlad is a "friend" and the diffs prove this claim.
 * 3)Sockpuppet at the least, Meatpuppet for sure.
 * 4) WP:DUCK - ℅ &#10032; ALLST☆R &#10032; echo 22:00, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, he is a friend. Does him knowing me remove his right to speak his opinion???? You are attempting to use the fact that he knows me as ammunition against me, which is rather immoral. : \You can't be guilty by assosiation, as it is not a crime. He has a right to post a remark, as do I, and as do you.--cooljuno411 01:57, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

I don't think there is anything for us to do here, the accounts appear to edit at different times, and based on the CU comment is likely a meatspace friend. A the person that archives this may wish to let Cooljuno411 and the other accounts know that the appearance of collusion is not permitted nor is recruiting meatspace friends to stack discussions any more acceptable then doing that recruiting online. WP:MEAT is very applicable here. Please do not tag any account as a sockpuppeteer or sockpuppet. Thanks. ——  nix eagle email me 20:13, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Conclusions