Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/CurtisNaito/Archive

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This account has very few edits to its name, and yet somehow has repeatedly shown up where CurtisNaito was, agreeing with him each time. He/She has continued editing articles CurtisNaito was fond of recently, years after Curtis was topic-banned, and has shown a poor, rather idiosyncratic, understanding of WP:NOR similar to the one that was partially responsible for the aforementioned ban. If the account is not technically a sockpuppet, then the odds are very high that it's a meatpuppet. (WP:MEAT has never been especially clear, but it's always been implied that SPI is the correct venue, as is apparently borne out by a quick search of the SPI archives.)

I am tempted to ask for CU since there may be other sleepers, but I'm not sure if it's allowed when the identified main account is extremely stale. (Also, even in the, IMO unlikely, scenario that the account is unrelated to Curtis, its behaviour in following me around -- it has edited ANI on five occasions, three specifically relating to me and the other two very recently, when an ANI thread I filed had just been archived but it was clear that the problem would come up on ANI again -- makes it a near-certainty that it's someone's sockpuppet, perhaps whose main account has been used more recently than Curtis's.)

Hijiri 88 ( 聖やや ) 09:36, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
 * On second thought, CU would be optimal; going back into my previous interactions with CurtisNaito, I noticed some commonalities between him and the other relatively new, suspicious accounts that have shown up on Talk:Mottainai over the last four months and wrongly accused a number of editors of engaging in "original research" (not to mention commonalities between one or more of Curtis's 2015-2016 cohorts -- see these for example -- who, unlike Curtis, are still active and can be identified by CU). Since Ahiroy is the only one of these accounts that directly interacted with CurtisNaito, I'd rather not list them all here, but if CU happened to find that (for example) rather than Ahiroy being a sockpuppet of CurtisNaito, IvoryTower123 was a sockpuppet of Ahiroy, that would clear the matter up a lot better.
 * What about, or ? Those accounts aren't stale -- do I need to formally accuse them of being sockpuppets of CurtisNaito with Template:Checkuser above here, or open Sockpuppet investigations/Ahiroy with those accounts listed as the suspected sockpuppets? (I don't actually think Krow750 is a sock of CurtisNaito, but if Ahiroy, IvoryTower123 and Martinthewriter are not related to CurtisNaito I would be astonished at the coincidences required for Krow not to be related to those three.) Hijiri 88 ( 聖やや ) 13:08, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Understood. Umm ... if there's an account that's obviously a sock of someone, and I think the evidence points to CurtisNaito more than any other particular sockmaster but some if not all of the accounts are definitely connected to each other, is ANI the more appropriate venue than SPI?
 * Also, if I suspect someone with whom I have a mutual IBAN is using a sockpuppet to continue harassing me while getting around the IBAN, what's the most appropriate way to handle it? Filing an SPI but then not getting CU to confirm (as it seems I have now failed to do) would leave me open to accusations that I violated the IBAN by accusing the other party of sockpuppetry. Can I e-mail you the evidence?
 * Hijiri 88 ( 聖やや ) 13:31, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Well, thank you Bbb23 for denying CU based on an obscure technical reason, refusing to respond to questions about it, then shutting down the investigation based on the supposed lack of behavioral evidence when you refused to look for technical evidence. Hijiri 88 ( 聖やや ) 00:40, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

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Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments
CurtisNaito is. CU declined.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:02, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I see insufficient evidence to justify checks of any of the accounts you mentioned in the body of your report. Others may look at your evidence behaviorally and weigh in, but the connections you've established are thin.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:24, 13 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Insufficient evidence. Closing. Bbb23 (talk) 23:51, 21 March 2020 (UTC)