Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Damorbel/Archive

10 December 2012

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provides the main documentary evidence that Damorbel and WFPM may be sock-puppets.

Damorbel has a special fixed idea, about kinetic energy of particles and temperature, that he continually obtrudes into articles and talk pages; the evidence of this is copious, bit I think not in need of extensive citation here. I suspect, but have no more than fair suspicion, that the user WFPM may be a sock for Damorbel. The evidence that I offer is only that their lines of thinking are hardly different, and that each has said he is or was an engineer. At present there is a discussion on seeking to ban Damorbel because of his disruptive edits and talk page postings. Chjoaygame (talk) 04:03, 10 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Ok, my evidence is too weak to justify an investigation, but it is still weak evidence too copious to reproduce here. I accept your judgment that my evidence is not good enough to support an investigation. We shall await further developments. Thank you for your help.Chjoaygame (talk) 13:22, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

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 * You claim "copious evidence" yet say it is no more than a suspicion. This is contradictory.  Lots of people have similar points of view and similar educations.  Wikipedia is rich with engineers, so unsubstantiated claims of similar occupation isn't adequate.  You need to provide diffs that demonstrate overlap or abuse, how the two accounts are linked in order for an investigation to be considered.  Dennis Brown -  2&cent;    &copy;   Join WER 09:31, 10 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Not enough evidence to proceed at this time. No prejudice against refiling if that information becomes available in the future.  Closing per reporting party's comments. Dennis Brown -  2&cent;    &copy;   Join WER 13:56, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

22 July 2013

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Suggested by at WP:AN (diff)in a discussion on topic-banning Damorbel from articles and talk-pages on thermodynamics.

According to Cyclopia,"Damorbel quacks loudly like banned user . Same WP:COMPETENCE issues, same obsession with heat transfer, both of them have/have had formulae for calculating planetary temperatures on their user page."

Details of the blocking of GabrielVelasquez for "prolific socking and severe WP:NPA issues" can be found here in the archives of WP:AN/I. Jheald (talk) 20:36, 22 July 2013 (UTC)


 * I think these are two different persons. Equations on their user pages notwithstanding, their interests are rather different otherwise: GabrielVelasquez seemed genuinely interested in extrasolar planets, whereas Damorbel's interest in thermodynamics is basically motivated by his opinions on climate change on Earth. Also, checkuser will be of no help here because GabrielVelasquez has been blocked years ago. Someone not using his real name (talk) 21:05, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
 * It may seem hard to believe, but there are SPA POV-pushers (like GabrielVelasquez) in the area of extraterrestrial life as well. There's another one "featured" at ANI in a currently open thread. I'm not saying that is GabrielVelasquez, but if I had to pick between Damorbel and this other editor as the more likely reincarnation of GabrielVelasquez, I would not pick Damorbel. Someone not using his real name (talk) 21:15, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I suspect you're probably right. The two accounts were active at the same time, but never seem to have made any edit to the same article -- ever. Which is probably a fairly strong signal that the two accounts were not being operated on a sockpuppet basis.  But since Cyclopia has made the allegation, it would be best all round for it to be investigated and formally either upheld or rejected.  Jheald (talk) 21:53, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

It has been pointed out to me that we know some IP addresses from which GabrielVelasquez edited: Category:Suspected Wikipedia sockpuppets of GabrielVelasquez, so potentially a checkuser could still check that way if Damorbel overlaps. Someone not using his real name (talk) 03:02, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

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 * Stale. GabrielVelasquez has been blocked since 2010. Whether this is the same editor as that is moot. Apteva (talk) 19:39, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Blocked, you said? Read the statement again please: the problem arose because GabrielVelasquez was banned. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 06:27, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Damorbel is the older account hence the listing. If the accounts are the same person then as GabrielVelasquez is banned, Damorbel would be as well. NativeForeigner Talk 19:06, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

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 * - I don't find any convincing evidence that these are the same users, either from the evidence provided or from my own investigation. Editing patterns seem distinctly different, no editing overlaps, and the times at which they prefer to edit aren't remotely similar.. Someguy1221 (talk) 01:55, 25 July 2013 (UTC)