Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Datu Hulyo/Archive

Suspected sockpuppets
Already confirmed. Courcelles (talk) 04:26, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

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 * ✅ Courcelles (talk) 04:26, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Cross reference. User talk:Tamzin, where the disruption of the Sir John account was bought up. Knowing we’ve seen this before, I checked.  Two extended confirmed accounts with thousands of edits was not what I expected to find, but the connection between all three is technically clear.  What to do about all this is less so, so reporting  for investigation. Courcelles (talk) 04:28, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Hmm. So, if this were just the master and the Harrison account, I'd probably request an explanation and, if none was forthcoming, treat it as a relatively harmless vandalsock and let the master off with a warning. With two established accounts... Similar userpages, overlap on a large and diverse number of articles (338 hits; for contrast Datu Hulyo vs. me is 57), similar editing styles, similar timecards... Yeah, there's no reason to doubt the CU findings here. Now, there's lots of close-in-time overlap, which violates WP:SOCK even for a legitimate undisclosed alt, but I'm not seeing outright tag-teaming, and notably they've never overlapped outside of mainspace and templatespace (not that they'd have much chance to ). So I'm going to put this  and instruct both editors to respond here before making any further edits.I need these accounts to answer these questions:
 * Are the Datu Hulyo and Golden Mage accounts operated by the same person?
 * If so, why have you been operating two accounts without disclosing their connection?
 * In any case, what is your connection to the John Harrison account?
 *  -- Tamzin  &#91;cetacean needed&#93; (she&#124;they&#124;xe) 04:48, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh, I just noticed, where Canterbury Tail notes a similarity to . Might be worth looking at. --  Tamzin  &#91;cetacean needed&#93; (she&#124;they&#124;xe) 04:55, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Seems to be on the wrong continent based on what I can reconstruct. (Kung is stale). And given the thousands of edits, seems strange they weren’t spotted on those checks. Courcelles (talk) 05:16, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * My mistake then. Some similarities but not an exact match anyway which is why I didn't block on that ground. Anyway is there a reason we haven't blocked the Data Hulyo account? Canterbury Tail talk 11:25, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * When there isn't an obvious reason for socking, I like to give experienced editors a chance to explain themselves. Sometimes there's an answer that at least bumps it down to an AGF warning. That said, GM has now been blocked, so DH is fair game regardless of sock legitimacy. Personally I'm going to give them until whenever I go to bed tonight, but if you or Courcelles or Lourdes would rather block sooner, feel free. -- Tamzin  &#91;cetacean needed&#93; (she&#124;they&#124;xe) 14:30, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I really hope there’s a decent explanation forthcoming, but I’m losing hope rapidly. Courcelles (talk) 02:43, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
 * End of the day, so per my previous comment, I've now indeffed Datu Hulyo. This is more as an extension of Lourdes' block of Golden Mage than as a finding that there was a deliberate violation of WP:SOCK. If DH/GM requests an unblock, and is able to give a good-faith reason for why they were using multiple accounts, this SPI should not be taken as an obstacle to an unblock (although the underlying reason for GM's block would still need to be addressed, and a one-account restriction would likely be advisable). Also reblocked Harrison and tagged as a sock; no tag on DH or GM for now. -- Tamzin  &#91;cetacean needed&#93; (she&#124;they&#124;xe) 03:41, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
 * As of now, no explanation has been forthcoming. Archiving. Courcelles (talk) 16:47, 25 August 2023 (UTC)