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11 January 2016

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The behavioral evidence is on the background of a dispute at talk:chabad and talk:chabad, which are awaiting resolution at WP:DRN. A central part of that dispute was the magnitude of membership in the Chabad Hasidic group, with taking affront (to the point of resorting to vulgarity) to the challenge that said group was not quantitatively dominant. One of my observations was to cite demographics comparing the size of Chabad with another Hasidic group, Satmar, which all uninterested parties agree is a much larger group. On 10 and 11 January the two anonymous IP addresses vandalized the Satmar article: Linking the two anonymous IP addresses to each other is a different act of vandalism, in the name of John Lennon, by all accounts not a member of the Satmar:
 * in special:diff/698369843/699091065, IP 2600:380:8c27:4185:f939:2baf:9a26:1185 reduced the size of Satmar from "120,000" to "10", from "largest" to "smallest", and introduced hoax vandalism that members of that group would find quite offensive.
 * in special:diff/699228887/699229405, IP 69.164.131.58 vandalized statistic in a similar manner in another part of the article, reducing numbers from "119,000" to "10", from "largest" to "smallest", from "120,000" to "12", from "50,000" to "5", from "$1 billion" to "$1".
 * in special:diff/699091065/699091168, the IP 2600:380:8c27:4185:f939:2baf:9a26:1185 vandalized the name of the leader of the group from Joel Teitelbaum to John Lenin(sic, the redirect is to John Lennon)
 * in special:diff/699228605/699228887 and in special:diff/699091168/699228605, the IP 69.164.131.58 continued by changing references from "Joel" to "John"

Further behavioral evidence might possibly be supported on 's user page, in which he identifies as a chabadnik. The two groups are currently officially at peace, but in the past the level of animosity and recriminations between the two groups had been vitriolic and led to accusations of violence and property damage. Without knowing 's involvement, one only has the background of his (or her) quick, hot temper and immediate resort to vulgarity exhibited in the discussion WP:DRN which did involve a comparison, if only quantitative, between Satmar and Chabad.

Finally, as a point of logical rigor, the converse observation should be explored - is there a way to check the history of the Satmar article, which was started back in 2003, for similar vandalism, changing the size of the group from largest to smallest; or has it only been in this instance, correlated to the chabad which revolves around that very subject. —Boruch Baum (talk) 16:15, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

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 * I haven't evaluated the behavioral evidence, but I've declined the CU request. We rarely disclose the IP(s) of named accounts.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:52, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I've noticed that both IP addresses geolocate to the New York/New Jersey area of the US, while Debresser identifies his time zone as GMT+2, seven time zones east of there. ​—DoRD (talk)​ 01:29, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
 * The behavioral evidence is not enough to block. The page is now protected, so the disruption has stopped. Closing.  Vanjagenije  (talk)  21:00, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

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CheckUser evidence is needed to find out if either Blacktargumby or Azim Abou-Khalil belongs to Debresser, who has reason to use them to support his position. Cognissonance (talk) 18:48, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
 * On September 3, Blacktargumby creates a new section on Talk:Tenet (film) about adding the science fiction genre to the article. This is Blacktargumby's only edit on Wikipedia. Debresser replies in agreement and adds the genre to the article. This is removed for want of a consensus.
 * On September 6, Debresser adds the genre again with no consensus, which is undone.
 * On September 7, Azim Abou-Khalil adds the genre, which is undone.
 * On September 9, Azim Abou-Khalil adds the genre once before it is removed. Then, Debresser re-adds it. After it gets removed, Azim Abou-Khalil adds it again. It is in these edits that I notice that both Azim Abou-Khalil and Debresser pipe their links.

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 * - My guess is Debresser and Azim are socks, and Blacktargumby just an innocent bystander. -- RoySmith (talk) 20:22, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Debresser is a long-term editor with more than 100,000 edits—because of this, I feel that to run a CU, there needs to be stronger evidence than has been provided here (Azim could also be an "innocent bystander", i.e. a passing editor who supports the same change in the content dispute). Absent additional information, I am inclined to decline the CU request and close this SPI without action. Mz7 (talk) 22:25, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
 * , Re: Debresser, I had not noticed their long tenure. Given that, I agree with you.  I was basing my endorsement on the sequence of edits noted by Cognissonance and didn't look beyond that.  I'll close this in a moment. -- RoySmith (talk) 22:33, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

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https://interaction-timeline.toolforge.org/?wiki=enwiki&user=Jaredscribe&user=Debresser most remarkable: Hebrew calendar and Metonic cycle (since Jaredscribe recently pushed the POV of the lunisolar calendar); tag-teaming at Hanukkah against ; both edited many pages; both are Sabbath-keeping; both love primary sources (see e.g. Talk:Hanukkah); Debresser quit editing some articles, Jaredscribe took over those articles (if you wonder why: Arbitration enforcement log/2021; Jaredscribe began editing many of those articles only after Debresser quit editing them, you have to scroll down the interaction timeline to see it). Tgeorgescu (talk) 07:23, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

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 * This is very clearly not the same person. CU declined and closing case. TonyBallioni (talk) 02:39, 17 April 2021 (UTC)