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14 November 2015

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This incident started when Diego Grez-Cañete edit-warred to keep his own non-admin closure of the AFD Articles for deletion/El Marino (online newspaper) (see history of the AFD page for the edit warring). Diego Grez-Cañete has an admitted COI with this website, he is the owner. (See the deleted talk page history of El Marino (online newspaper) for the connected contributor template that he himself added). After being reverted by myself and others, Diego eventually gave up the edit warring and marked himself as retired. Since then:
 * the SPA ip appeared on the talk page of the AFD closing admin  to ask for redirects to be restored here. (I have no issue with this request, I'm establishing the pattern).
 * next the SPA ip appeared on Articles for deletion/Pichilemunews to say that the article should be redirected, not deleted.  Diego Grez-Cañete also has a COI with this Pichilemunews website (see WP:COIN for details).
 * Both the El Marino and Pichilemunews AFD's closed as delete (not redirect), and were deleted. On 11/13 Diego Grez-Cañete un-retired to recreate El Marino (online newspaper) and Pichilemunews as redirects. I nominated Pichilemunews for G4 speedy deletion as recreated content deleted after a deletion discussion.  Here is where the sock puppet policy has been violated:  SPA ip   appeared to revert my G4 nomination here. Presumably an ip was used to get around the restriction on the creator of an article removing the speedy template; allowing them to revert instead of contesting the speedy nomination on the talk page.


 * Background: Diego Grez-Cañete has a long history of using multiple accounts on en.wikipedia and es.wikipedia, see WP:COIN for a partial list. They are also an admin on sco.wikipedia. I mention this because of their experience; they may have covered their technical tracks with these ip's, but they all geolocate to Chile and the behavioral evidence is obviously obvious. Vrac (talk) 01:50, 14 November 2015 (UTC)


 * So what are you expecting Vrac, it's pretty obvious this is me, duh. Did I mean to hide myself? Or are you just trying to find poo where there isn't. I find it amusing that no one who has collaborated with me throughout the last five years hasn't said anything about my vast contributions to Wikipedia, while you try to minimise them by pointing out only what better suits to your harassing-like behavior: stuff made several years ago (i.e. sockpupeeting) Shame on you, 191.112.27.177 (talk) 02:31, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Long-term abuse is quite relevant. I am expecting the community to consider putting an end to your long-term abuse of AGF, COI, SOCK, NPA, and probably just about every policy wikipedia has to offer. Shame on yourself. Vrac (talk) 02:45, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

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— Berean Hunter   (talk)  03:11, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
 * - CheckUsers will almost never publicly connect a named account to IP addresses. ​—DoRD (talk)​ 04:59, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Blocking master for two weeks. He returned to IP sock and edit war with new IPs today. Closing.

16 May 2016

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Disruptive editing by an IP who intend to give more relevance than the real to some Pichilemu articles, like the case of 1985 Pichilemu earthquake: some time ago, it was clearly stated that according to WP:COMMONNAME the most suitable name was "1985 Rapel Lake earthquake" and not "1985 Pichilemu earthquake", and Diego continued to make disruptive editing (also in other articles, that led him to being blocked indefinitely). Also, the last message given from the IP on thar article talk-page have a too similar redaction and grammar like the posts that Diego made at their time. Finally, if you look at their contributions history, you could look that the only edits made are from the articles that affect directly the mentioned earthquake article. Sfs90 (talk) 01:56, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

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 * I think it is past time to open a long-term abuse case for this user. There are about 15 years of history that is hard to keep track of; it would help if others could consult it all in one place. Vrac (talk) 03:00, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

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 * Not active in the last 10 days. Case closed.  Vanjagenije  (talk)  20:18, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

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Contributions history very related and similar (almost entirely on Pichilemu and Santa Cruz, Chile-related articles) to the contributions made from years ago (until his indefinite block) by user Diego Grez. A very clear example of this was when I edit their surname on the references given on the article Mayor of Pichilemu (mainly because their real surname is "Grez Cañete" and not "Grez-Cañete" as a composite one; he even states clearly that issue on their genealogy tree, which was posted on their personal blog some time ago). After that, all three IPs mentioned above started to revert the edits with long edit summaries (a very rare thing on IPs that are quite "new" making edits on Wikipedia) and making statements that match very closely with the style Diego Grez (and Küñall, who is also a sockpuppet of Diego and was never blocked for that) used on their edit summaries. I had special attention to the edit summaries made by IP 186.79.18.167, which published very long edit summaries, almost if the user behind that IP perfectly knew the use of that space, even adding links between brackets in the edit summary of their very first edit.

Yesterday, when I nominated for deletion a lot of Santa Cruz-related articles (mainly because a lot of them are neighbourhoods without any notability), the IP that made some of the reverts on Mayor of Pichilemu began to made comments on the request for deletion (RfD). How did he knew about the nomination I made? (the most obvious thought is that he looked on my contributions history and went into that). And after this, a thing that came to my attention is that he on their comments on the RfD about that he knows a lot about Santa Cruz, stating and giving some sources and information about some villages inside the commune. One more time, it looks very clear to me that the person behind the IP is one who lives in the Pichilemu or Santa Cruz area (these are two very near cities inside the same region in Chile) and know very clear some things about their cities, villages, and settlements.

Finally, the most recent episode came not too later, when I removed an unsourced (an also irrelevant) sentence that states the existance on Pichilemu of two "online newspapers". After that, the IP very quickly reverted my edit (accusing me of pushing WP:NPOV, even finishing sentences on their edit summary with exclamation marks, a very common mark by Diego Grez on their edits) and began a WP:REFBOMB to demonstrate that "El Marino" newspaper (an online newspaper that, (oh) coincidentally, is owned by Diego Grez) is "relevant". Not happy with that, the IP began a very hound-like attitude, publishing on a new comment on the RfD of San Vicente de Paul a discussion involving me on Spanish Wikipedia (which makes me think again that the user under the IPs speaks Spanish and is native Spanish-speaker; I couldn't explain any other way how an IP with very few edits went to Spanish Wikipedia to search discussions on that language to publish it here).

Given all these evidence, I suggest a block for all IPs I have mentioned, because they are closely related to an user who was blocked indefinitely for their continous disruptive editing and the WP:COI that was present. I also had to remark (one more time) that the user had exactly the same attitude at least two times in the past (looking at their sockpuppetry cases archive), so it doesn't surprise me if this IP-sockpuppetry is true again. Sfs90 (talk) 07:09, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

PS: I'm also adding user Parra Jardinera, who (although made only a few edits) created a "Grez family" category, maybe as a personal crusade trying to give relevance to their surname (as it was clearly stated on the articles Diego Grez made and published on his personal blog and his "online newspaper"). A very interesting thing is that Parra Jardinera created the article Diego Grez-Cañete (again, the sockmaster) only as a redirect to the "Media" section on Pichilemu article (the section that was, coincidentally, being edited by the IPs involved in this sockpuppetry request, because all of them tried again and again the adding of self-promotional content for El Marino newspaper). What was the reason behind that? User Parra Jardinera clearly knows who Diego Grez is, and maybe is involved in a WP:COI (the same COI that was Diego involved). --Sfs90 (talk) 07:26, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

PS2: I'm adding a new IP address (158.251.255.64), whose only two contributions are reversals in the article Pichilemu, with the only motivation to restablish a sentence with promotional content about El Marino newspaper (again, the newspaper that is owned by Diego Grez). --Sfs90 (talk) 21:02, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

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 * If any of these accounts start editing again please fine another SPI with concise evidence in the form of diffs. Closing. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 07:38, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

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User is creating unusual drafts and moving pages to non-existent user pages, and also left a message to this community banned account. Home Lander (talk) 02:40, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

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This case is. CU declined.--Bbb23 (talk) 03:05, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Evidence here is too thin for my tastes. Closing with no action. — Rich wales (no relation to Jimbo) 05:30, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

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The pattern of editing and declared interests of Bedivere are suspiciously similar to that of MisterWiki/Diego Grez. I may be wrong but Diego_Grez/Mister_Wiki was blocked indefinitely for persistently gaming the system in 2015 and the ban has not been lifted. What is known about him: Ping people active last time he was banned to help see if the case is true. ,, , , , , ,.
 * Blocked indefinitely in 2015
 * Interest in Chilean politics eg.
 * Strong interest in Pichilemu
 * Has written books about Colchagua and Pichilemu he sells on Amazon
 * Left-wing, declares to have been a member of the Socialist Party of Chile from 2013 until 2017
 * Defended Jorge Vargas González from deletion in its first AfD
 * Has uploaded photos of himself to Wikimedia as part of his self-promotion campaign
 * I don't know this but I infer he has British descent as he has seen with a British flag next to Mapuche flags in Google seaches for Diego Grez (link to long to have show here, seem somehow embedded in http://museo.auroradecolchagua.cl/wiki/Diego_Grez_Ca%C3%B1ete but is invisible in the in the page). He was also once admin in Scots Wikipedia according to Vrac.

User:Bedivere has in common with Diego Grez and his sockpuppets: At least I want to say that so much content linked to his accounts seems to be deleted or moved over the years so it is difficult to keep track of all activity. I may be wrong or it may be the case that the permanent ban has been lifted Sietecolores (talk) 20:50, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Attempt to restore Pichilemu politician Jorge Vargas González Deletion review/Log/2022 April 11,
 * Likely British descent, at least according to his own userpage
 * Active in left-wing parties according to his own usepage, where he supports Gabriel Boric and Convergencia Social. . Fits with leaving the Socialist Party in 2017.
 * Interest in adorned user pages (pages of older sockpuppets have been deleted) but the current page looks like this . Admittedly this is not the best point.
 * Elusive behaviour, why and how did Kuatrero turn into Bedivere? The namespace Kuatrero seems available for new users to occupy but talk page redirects to Bedivere...
 * None of them are beginners in Wikipedia, Bedivere disputes deletions of Pichilemu-related politicians
 * Interest in the Colchagua (historical province) in itself
 * Has shown interest for primary schools in Colchagua Province, a page created by Vanished user 24kwjf10h32h
 * My point is: Diego Grez is a problamtic user who is duly banned in English and Spanish Wikipedia for his relentless abusive behaviour. Was baned in 2010. The permanent site ban of 2015 was near-unanimous.
 * Diego Grez is Bedivere and Kuatrero because there is a strong correspondence in the editing pattern and biographical information. Diego Grez is known for using multiple sockpuppets and he obscures his history in Wikipedia by creating new user names while deleting the old. "dealing with Diego has become a major time sink for myself and others." Sietecolores (talk) 21:23, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

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 * I'm surprised by this groundless accusation. While it is true that I requested a deletion review of Vargas' article; well, everything you say in the last points about me are true (I publicly said I am of British descent, say I support Convergencia Social and President Boric, I had my account renamed from Kuatrero to Bedivere) none of these points actually relate to being the sockpuppet of a banned user who has not been around for years. I am a Chilean, and live in Colchagua province. Perhaps I made too many details of myself public. But as I said before that means nothing. Your groundless attack is full of assumptions and you did not even make the least effort to contact me or ask any thing. This really lets me down. --Bedivere (talk) 21:17, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Are you Diego Grez? Sietecolores (talk) 21:24, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Straw man? Come on. Obviously not. What is the reasoning behind this proposal? Stop wasting people's time. --Bedivere (talk) 21:28, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Diego Grez claim ancestry from British (Cook, Price) and Jewish-descent people (Pérez) in his family tree . You both are interested in the same article about a small-town politician? Coincidence?
 * I have made over 1.5k edits mainly on Chile-related articles. What's the problem with that? You speak English like Milton Friedman does, you are of Jewish descent like Rockefeller was, you may be those men. You created an article which uses a picture by Diego Grez. You must be Diego Grez, actually. That's the level of your reasoning. I expect you to eventually apologize for wasting my and others' time. --Bedivere (talk) 22:10, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
 * More coincidences; if we look at the geography of Bediveres edits its obvious that Bedivere have a particular interest for Cardenal Caro Province one of Chile's 56 provinces, and not a particuarly populous one. But Bedivere seem to have avoided the capital Pichilemu which instead is rich in IP edits. Bedivere's third edit was a keep on AfD Paulina_Nin_de_Cardona, a candidate for Mayor of Pichilemu (article created by Vanished_user_24kwjf10h32h). Mayor of Pichilemu and the municipal history of that town have always been of interest to Diego Grez both in Wikipedia and outside it (see his book Camino al progreso : Historia municipal y personajes destacados de Pichilemu). More on, Bediviere seem to have begun editing in Wikipedia in 2020 knowing acronyms such as GNG  Bedivere was clearly not a new user when the account begun editing in 2020. Regarding Bediveres Milton Friedman-point I am not saying that any particular coincidence is by itself evidence of him being Diego Grez, but the pattern as whole is. Sietecolores (talk) 23:15, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
 * This is exhausting. Hope admins will make you give me a rest, you little paranoid. Bedivere (talk) 23:24, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I ask the resolving clerk/admin/CU to remove all of this information because it is a personal attack and it should not be tolerated to make such groundless attacks and assumptions in such a freely and uncivil manner. --Bedivere (talk) 23:34, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Confirmed: Diego Grez Cañete is a big fan of President Gabriel Boric and praises him in his blog, much like Bedivere also does . Without a doubt, plenty of Chilean Wikipedia editors must have voted for him, but how many openly praise him in the way Bedivere and Diego Grez do? Sietecolores (talk) 00:24, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Why are you deleting your British and Jewish ancestry claims in your user page? Aren't you proud of your roots any longer or is it that the coincidences with Diego Grez are to many? Note: I am not making this edit to have a long discussion with Bedivere but to make admins and others aware of any attempt of Bediviere to obfuscate evidence linking him to Diego Grez. The evidence presented so far should be enough. Sietecolores (talk) 00:34, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Unless anyone has further evidence to present, I think we've heard enough here. Thank you. This case will be investigated in due course. --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she/they) 00:56, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Just as a note, while I did remove such content from my Meta page, it is still available in the history (as linked by Sietecolores) and they are still on my Spanish Wikipedia user page. I am yet to know how supporting a president, being of certain descent makes me the sockpuppet of someone else. I removed a previous comment as it did not provide any evidence and went on to Sietecolores' userpage. However, due to their continued accusations I was forced to make this final comment. Take care everyone. Bedivere (talk) 00:56, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

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 * Two of these accounts don't exist on any project, one is globally locked and has been for years, the others are very, very stale. Your evidence is also very, very long. Can you please condense it into your primary points? CUPIDICAE💕  21:07, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm removing all old usernames from the suspected sockpuppets list, as we just care about the accounts. Also removing Diegogrez, already long-indeffed and not subject of any evidence here. Could an adminclerk please merge this to Sockpuppet investigations/Diego Grez-Cañete?  --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she/they) 21:33, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
 * @Tamzin So merged. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:01, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Roy. I have some tangential involvement here, so will leave the substantive side of this to someone else. --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she/they) 22:23, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
 * - -- RoySmith (talk) 15:04, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I see I declined this 3 months ago and nothing has happened since then. The archives also show a many-year pattern of reports that don't pan out.  I'm going to close this. -- RoySmith (talk) 23:11, 18 July 2022 (UTC)