Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Dingdongacid/Archive

Report date February 18 2009, 21:35 (UTC)

 * Suspected sockpuppets



I suspect the above accounts are sock puppets of a single user bent on disruption and p.o.v pushing at the Olive skin article for about 4 months now.It seems anytime i make some sort of edit with a source about Olive skin being found outside the Middle Eastern and Southern European region some newly created account comes and misrepresents what the source is siteing and sticks his or hers own pov into it as opposed to what the sources says for example (1) i authored this sentence of the article to the best of the source in which this 78.146.109.200 reverted what i did []though in this case another established editor than reverted it back to my version[],also i recentely added a picture of Victoria Beckham with one source siting she has olive skin so what happened a newly created account called Dingdongacid comes makes disruptive pov changes without disscusion states that her olive skin is a result of suntanning when the sources say no such thing so i added a second source thats states her infant baby has olive skin like her momma, what happends mr. new olive skin only account shows up and changes it again ,so at that point i'm starting to connect the dots to other users in last few months who i have had trouble with and all their accounts pretty much only edit olive skin which i find strange, now i'm an established user with 2,500 edits and yes i 'am interested in the subject but i edit many many other articles.Here is another thing that peaked my intrest it seems in novemeber user User_ Talk:Obahliskh wanted to add some controversial map to the olive skin in which he created and uploaded in which an administrator had a problem with the inclusion of this map now he was blocked for edit warring along with me, that user was blocked the account was than abandoned and not used again thought the map he uploaded is constanly being added to other articles by some of the user accounts and ip's that im citeing in this report here are some examples seen here you will see user Dingdongacid added that same map that Obahliskh uploaded and also tried to use that map[] now here is ip 78.146.72.134 trying to add the same map [] oh and here is user Obahhliskh attempt to pov this map into this article without seeking consensus for removeing the old map that is there[] it seems other more established editors are reverting his pov like User:Soupforone did here did here [] now as you can see this user is being disruptive on more than one article and createting new accounts to hide their disruptive past of p.o.v pushing and their edit history for the above  ip's and user account will say alot --Wikiscribe (talk) 21:35, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Evidence submitted by Wikiscribe (talk)

Also here is ip 89.242.84.51 coming to ip 78.146.72.134 aid during our edit war also out of the blue[]


 * Comments by accused parties    See Defending yourself against claims.
 * Well this is interesting. A proven sockpuppet is accusing me of being a sock? And what's more, I'm apparently socking an account which isn't blocked - remind me why exactly I'd do that?
 * Not only that, but half this checkuser seems to have been put together without even a moment of thought. You're accusing User:Novelaconto of being a sock of the IP addresses you mentioned above, but the account explicitly states here that he was the IPs, and made the account because he could not start a RFCU page unless a logged in editor.
 * You havn't given a moment's thoughts to discussing anything about the Olive skin article, Wikiscribe, and I think you're now associating me with Novelaconto because you hold a grudge against the user for being the cause of your 3rd block - and not because of your true concerns over the article (otherwise you would have discussed them). I consider this pointy, disruptive, a lack of assumption of good faith, and sheer cheek.
 * All in all, I'm being accused of sockpuppeting - neither to evade a block, nor to inflate my side in an edit war. So why exactly would I be sockpuppeting?
 * I put up no objections to any checkusers that are performed on me if it is neccessary to prove my innocence, but based on my points above, this is more a Fishing-based request from a proven socker himself, and as such, I do not condone it.
 * Also, Wikiscribe, when you create a RFCU for someone, it is policy to inform the user. Dingdongacid (talk) 10:59, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Rebuttle
 * I'm sorry thats strange ,but during my sock case i was never warned about a pending case against me ,so if i was suppose to warn you, i was unaware to that fact and i didnt my mistake(first time i have had to do this sort of thing).But how did you know there was a case against you?trolling my edit history?So you're that familar with me?Also you are a new user how do you know sock puppetry policy that i don't even know?( How telling).I have had an account for almost 2 years and made 2500 edits(and my account does not only edit olive skin and some throw away edits like the ones above) and i did not know that.The behavior history and edit pattern of all these accounts could certainly warrant a possible usercheck if called for, those accounts are all single article accounts and all accounts have been edit warring and have been disruptive, some of them have been blocked before, remember this is not a sock case against me  it's about you're possible sock issues. I could be wrong but all these ip and accounts with the same issues, same type of edit history patterns is suspect . If you are not all these accounts you should have nothing to worry about anyway. I'm just asking an admin to investigate the matter--Wikiscribe (talk) 15:26, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Also to the statement about user novelaconto,so he did admit to be being disruptive and engaging in edit warring under this ip 78.146.72.134 as he did here[] and here [] and here[], than the mysterious  new ip 89.242.84.51 comes to help in the mutual edit war in which the previous ip all of a sudden stoped editing right here[] than he or she reverts again right here[], than here comes the last and yet another revert by now new  user Novelaconto [], oh by the way here is another editor trying to stem pov pushing during this edit war[],also if you see user novelaconto last edits before his account suddenly stoped editing there's like 20 re directs to olive skin [], but yet in his sock puppet case against me he accused me of being obsessed with olive skin, which i find  odd when he only made edits basicaly to olive skin, also User dingdongacid here you are creating your account on feburuary 14[] a day after i added the pic of Victoria Beckham ,you're first edit was a redirect(what a surprize)[] than waited a few days than started to pov push about the pic i added with sources(what a surprize again).Which brings us to what i'm stateing in this report, there are way to many accounts and ips here making disruptive edits with similar edit patterns to be a matter of conincidence and on another note bringing up my sock puppet issues that i did do to avoid the 3 revert may just possibly be irelevant, being i served my block and even stayed away for a month(wikibreak) after that. If you are the above accounts my wrong did not make your wrongs right--Wikiscribe (talk) 22:23, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry but I didn't understand any of what you just said. Have you ever heard of punctuation? Dingdongacid (talk) 00:13, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Dingdongacid do you have something to add as evidence that you are not any of the above accounts or is you're only defence a good offence ,throwing up a smoke screen to slander me and draw attention away from the case itself? Also why are you concerned about User Novelaconta, he is not you right? and that snarky attitude does sound familar--Wikiscribe (talk) 04:11, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Any more evidence? Well let's look at this. You're saying I'm Novelaconto - what reason would I have to use this, rather than the other account?
 * That account is not blocked
 * That account has not reverted anything at the same time as me - so ideas of sockpuppeting to avoid 3RR are out of the question
 * That account has no "bad history" to hide. In fact, it already stands in greater position in the wiki-community than my account, since it correctly reported a sockpuppet (you). If I was Novelaconto, I would certainly be using that account, not this.
 * As above, this request appears to be nothing more than a disruptive Fishing request. Dingdongacid (talk) 10:23, 20 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Comments by other users

Wikiscribe, would you mind alleviating my concerns about this coincidence. One of the IPs confirmed to be yourself in the RfCU geolocates to the same UK city as the 78. IPs you've listed here. They are in fact yourself, unless you can give an explanation. Peter Symonds ( talk ) 20:25, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Clerk, patrolling admin and checkuser comments


 * what would you like me to do those are not me ,i do not come from the U.K--Wikiscribe (talk) 20:34, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, I geolocated the same IP by mistake. Apologies. Peter Symonds ( talk ) 21:10, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

delisted The reporter presents no sound evidence of socking, and in fact that all we actually have here is evidence that the reporter was recently blocked for using socks to evade WP:3RR on the article Olive skin, and article that he alleges somebody else is socking on. I would suggest that a good read of WP:OWN would not go amiss. Mayalld (talk) 22:05, 24 February 2009 (UTC) SPIclose Mayalld (talk) 22:05, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I commented out the delisted template below. Tiptoety  talk 05:46, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
 * This appears to be a complex case, so I'll just comment on the IPs. All located in UK; Lowestoft and London to be exact. All register to 'Opal Telecom DSL', although 78.146.72.134 is on a different range. Foxy Loxy  Pounce! 07:38, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Conclusions
 * Uh, absolutely not. ;) I can confirm a few socks based on editing patterns to the article Human skin color which I found by looking at Sockpuppet investigations/Dingdongacid/Report/1235591362. (the format is sorta funny, one sock per master... which is why the bot is not automatically generating them yet). ——  nix  eagle email me 20:04, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Concur with Nixeagle. There are definitely some socks here. -- Kanonkas : Talk  20:06, 25 February 2009 (UTC)


 * is any further action needed here? Mayalld (talk) 12:05, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes I still stand by what I said above, however there is a shortage of admin time (hence the admin backlog thing). This is another case that if another admin does not take, when I finish the report tool I'm working on I will deal with myself. ——  nix eagle email me 17:28, 14 March 2009 (UTC)


 * It is very these accounts are all socks based on behavior evidence alone. The IPs all within the same range do the same edits. However some of these accounts have not edited since November 2008. The last active edit by an account listed here (with exception to dindongacid) seems to be Jan 22 2008. There is no point whatsoever in blocking any of the listed IP addresses at this time as too much time has passed.


 * likely: All IP addresses belonged to Dingdongacid at one point in time. I would block if doing so would have any effect. Too much time has passed for a block on a dynamic range like that to be effective.
 * possible: - edits to restore the same image on Human skin color makes this very likely in addition to pattern given on Olive skin. However I myself am not sure of this enough to effect a block on the account at this time. The pattern exists, but it is *possible* this account belonged to a second person. I'm 50/50 on the chances this is a sock and unless it edits again for a period of time, I won't be able to confirm one way or the other.
 * unknown: - I can't establish a connection to this account other then some edits to olive skin, but editing the same article as dingdongacid, even to the same point of view does not make the account a sock. Its last edit was Jan 22.

If any of these accounts crop back up, or new accounts are found, please create a new case. I will warn dingdongacid about logging out. I think any blocks at this point in time will be punative and not preventative.

——  nix eagle email me 22:39, 23 March 2009 (UTC)