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Both editors are supporting the article Jason Halbert. "DirectorSandy" has made 57 to Wikipedia. Of those, 39 have been to Jason Halbert, one has been to Articles for deletion/Jason Halbert, and one has been to DC Talk. "Elpresidente57" has made 22 edits to Wikipedia. Of those, 19 have been to Jason Halbert, one has been to Articles for deletion/Jason Halbert, and one has been to DC Talk. Both voted "keep" at the AfD, here and here. Magnolia677 (talk) 21:02, 8 March 2017 (UTC)


 * I took it a step further and added "Lucy elenore", who was the page creator of Jason Halbert. This user has edited pages solely regarding Kelly Clarkson, but after a 4.5 year absence, created the new article in question. Kellymoat (talk) 21:21, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

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I am not a sockpuppet. I have only one account here and this is it. I hope an SPI investigation won't be necessary, but if that is the common practice and one is done, I assure you that you will find I have only this account. DirectorSandy (talk) 21:29, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

Well, as you can see, I am indeed new as a wikipedia user. However, I can assure you I am not a "sockpuppet". I am a long time Kelly Clarkson fan and frequently follow several of her fan communities. After seeing a link added to one of her wiki pages, I was excited about the opportunity of adding to the wiki community, and seeing one of her long time collaborators recognized for his contributions to her career. As you can see via my edit history, I have learned over the course of several edits how to refine and better cite sources. I've now spent hours trying to learn the very confusing wiki edit protocols, and found myself excited to learn and addicted to the process. I was quite taken back by what seemed to me the aggressive nature of Magnolia677 interactions and challenges. However, after more research and familiarizing myself with the process, I came to understand the need for such policing and appreciated that the challenges made the article more substantial and better sourced. That said, to be accused of being a sock puppet did hit me as overly aggressive, and without warrant. I have looked at the pages on defending sock puppetry, and still don't fully understand how to defend myself against it, but I am confident the CheckUser will show my account unrelated, and my IP address as independent of DirectorSandy and Lucy Elenore. Since then I have looked at talk pages of other similar producers, and have not found this type of challenge. I hope you will see my edits in good faith, and as a positive contribution to the wiki community. I do not know DirectorSandy and LucyElenore personally, but do know of them in the Kelly Clarkson Community. In doing my research on SockPuppetry, I have learned about the term MeatPuppetry. I am equally confident that our shared passions for the Kelly Clarkson community do not rise to the standard of Meat Puppetry either as I have not been recruited by either of them to bolster their edits. Rather I have independently researched and learned how to properly edit the wiki articles. Please let me know how I can provide any further information, as I have mostly enjoyed the process of wiki editing, and would prefer the newbie status will not keep me from participating on other articles in the future. Elpresidente57 (talk) 21:51, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

As I saved my changes above, I saw the notice that the CheckUser did indeed confirm my account is unrelated. I am pleased to see the process worked as intended. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elpresidente57 (talk • contribs) 21:53, 8 March 2017 (UTC)


 * I am not an admin, so anything I say is not an official statement.
 * But, I am sure you can see why it raised suspicions. Sure, it can be explained by the 3 of you hanging out on the Clarkson fan page when someone starts a forum topic "let's get a page going for her producer". But we don't know where you hang out. We only see that 3 new users all appearing at the same time on the same new article. Kellymoat (talk) 22:28, 8 March 2017 (UTC)\


 * thank you Kellymoat - I can certainly see that (although I am the only new user - DirectorSandy and LucyElenore have been around much longer than I as wiki users). As I am new to this process, does us 3 coming together to edit the page violate any wiki policies? and now that the page has been updated and cited correctly, does that change your vote to delete, or change your opinion of it meeting GNG? Or does the fact that "he's no Mutt Lange" supersede his notability? I certainly don't think any of us would argue his contributions come close to that of Mutt Lange, Max Martin or Greg Kurstin, but it seems there are many producers on wiki that have not reached that bar, that are still considered notable enough for an article. thanks again for the insight(ha - took me 4 edits to reference your name right! - need to use that preview button more) - Elpresidente57 (talk) 22:45, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

What is the next step in this process? When do you expect the matter to be decided and closed? thanks - Elpresidente57 (talk) 17:15, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

I'm very confused as to why my acct. hasn't been verified as an independent acct. On this page Lucy Eleanor and I are is still listed as "possible". It appears that my IP was checked against Elpresidente and his acct. was deemed "unrelated" and not connected to mine. I'm wondering why Lucy Eleanor's hasn't been checked against my IP and cleared, as Lucy Eleanor's acct. is not connected to mine either.DirectorSandy (talk) 20:15, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * DirectorSandy and Lucy elenore are . Elpresidente57 is ❌.--Bbb23 (talk) 21:40, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
 * as put it, this "can be explained by the 3 of [these users] hanging out on the Clarkson fan page when someone starts a forum topic 'let's get a page going for her producer'" and collaborative page creation is not sockpuppetry, it is encouraged. Closing with no action. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 12:34, 1 May 2017 (UTC)