Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Dr.Jhingaadey/Archive

Report date June 8 2009, 23:42 (UTC)

 * Suspected sockpuppets
 * (already checked and confirmed)


 * Evidence submitted by Enric Naval

Passes the WP:DUCK test: the IP made its second edit in the section where another sock of this user had just been announced as blocked. Its first edit had been an (apparently) unsourced defence of the efficacy of homeopathy, and Dr.Jhingaadey does that all the time.

However, the IP is not from the same geographical location as the other suspected socks. Checkuser is needed to compare this IP to User:NootherIDAvailable, the latest checkuser-confirmed sock. --Enric Naval (talk) 23:42, 8 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Comments by accused parties    See Defending yourself against claims.


 * Comments by other users

Requested by Enric Naval (talk) 23:42, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
 * CheckUser requests

Additional information needed: Please provide a code letter. SPCUClerkbot (talk) 23:43, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Clerk, patrolling admin and checkuser comments


 * CU seems unnecessary in this case; if the IP continues to edit it can be blocked, but since both accounts listed are indef-blocked (and the link between them is already confirmed) further use of checkuser is unlikely to be helpful. If you see other new accounts with similar activity in the next days and weeks, come on back. Nathan  T 00:07, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

no action required at present. Mayalld (talk) 18:06, 9 June 2009 (UTC) Mayalld (talk) 18:06, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Conclusions

Report date July 30 2009, 14:30 (UTC)

 * Suspected sockpuppets




 * Evidence submitted by User:BullRangifer

Duck test. This multiple blocked user never can resist using registered and unregistered socks. See previous sockpuppet investigations and categories. He has recently been allowed (by one admin, with much disagreement from other editors) to edit using the name User:Avathaar, and only on the talk page. He hasn't been editing there for some time, and apparently couldn't resist the temptation. Incredible cluelessness is actually a characteristic of this user. He doesn't have much of a clue how to hide obvious sockpuppetry. Brangifer (talk) 14:30, 30 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Comments by accused parties    See Defending yourself against claims.


 * Comments by other users
 * Judging by the number of edits (2) and the type of user (IP), I’m going to give him the benefit of the doubt for the moment and presume that he was just logged out and didn’t notice. — NRen2k5 (TALK), 21:24, 30 July 2009 (UTC)


 * This makes no sense because Dr.Jhingaadey is not allowed to edit anywhere outside his own user space and user talk space. Hans Adler 22:24, 30 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Point. I forgot that he was (still) so severely restricted.— NRen2k5 (TALK), 01:48, 31 July 2009 (UTC)


 * For me this does not pass the duck test because I don't recognise the internet provider as one previously used by this user (I may be wrong about this, I didn't really check), and because the IP seems to be even more clueless. But after a closer look at Avathaar's talk page I am beginning to understand why BullRangifer is suspicious in this case. Hans Adler 22:24, 30 July 2009 (UTC)


 * He has been known to use internet cafes, as well as other computers, so the provider can vary. The location, the subject, and the POV all point to him. He is not supposed to edit anywhere but his own userspace at User:Avathaar. Note that he has never been unblocked, and is allowed to edit there only because one admin allows it. He does seem to be active as a sock again. Brangifer (talk) 05:12, 31 July 2009 (UTC)


 * The IP geolocates to Bangalore, where Dr. Jhingaadey's earlier socks geolocate. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 18:46, 31 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Try this one. It's the most specific service I've found yet, and locates the IP to the same location (Bengaluru, Karnataka, India) as the other IPs he's used:


 * http://www.ip-adress.com/ip_tracer/117.192.134.64


 * Brangifer (talk) 19:16, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Requested by Brangifer (talk) 14:30, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * CheckUser requests

This is a borderline situation, but endorse based on the fact that the IP geolocates to Bangalore as with the IPs listed at Requests for checkuser/Case/Dr.Jhingaadey. MuZemike 22:42, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

I can't tell you much more than you already know, previous socks were from Bangalore, this IP comes from there too. No logged in edits there but since Dr was on a dynamic range before that doesn't mean much. You'll have to use your sense of smell on that one :). (I'm leaving the case open in case an other CU finds more) -- Luk  talk 08:57, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Clerk, patrolling admin and checkuser comments
 * Might be him, might not be him. It's at this point. Tracing IP location for BSNL is very unreliable at times. With geolocate, both show as Bangalore. With GeoBytes, you get two very different locations. Nishkid64 (Make articles, not wikidrama) 13:57, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

OhanaUnitedTalk page 18:18, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Conclusions

26 January 2011

 * Suspected sockpuppets




 * User compare report Auto-generated every hour.

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 * Per DUCK on Talk:Homeopathy. His classic tells: (1) mispellings and poor grammar (Indian English); (2) objections to the use of the words quackery, pseudoscience, and placebo to describe homeopathy, even though numerous MEDRS and RS do so; (3) objections to the refusal of RS to publish bad research and anecdotes which he believes we SHOULD be using.

Comments by other users
''Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.''

Dr.Jhingaadey has generally not been particularly good at disguising himself. George1918 has problems with the editing interface that I don't remember observing in Dr.Jhingaadey, and I believe this user also has a much better command of English. (Occasional ungrammatical sentences can be the sign of an expert speaker writing quickly and not reading before posting, rather than poor command of the language. George1918's errors are of that type, Dr.Jhingaadey's are not.)

I can also see no connection between the anonymous user signing "Jan Erik Sigdell" and George1918. There simply isn't enough data, and just both being pro homeopathy is definitely not enough to connect them. If they are the same, the user should be quietly warned not to alternate between editing logged in and logged out, not outed. Hans Adler 13:40, 26 January 2011 (UTC)


 * I tend to agree with Hans. As I mention above, an alternate explanation exists. Similarity doesn't equal connection. If the CU doesn't pan out, then doing as Hans suggests would still be wise.


 * My main point is that a CU should compare the (unknown to us mortals) IP(s) being used by George1918 with those used by Dr. Jhingaadey, which are usually from Karnataka, Mumbai, India. The tells are similar enough to Dr. Jhingaadey's to be worth an investigation. He has done this type of thing numerous times and it just wastes our time. If it's not him, then we'll just have to be patient with George1918. He has made rather few comments on Talk:Homeopathy which can be examined. The tells I mention are there. -- Brangifer (talk) 20:35, 26 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Dr.Jhingaadey hasn't edited in three years, so there's no data left for us to use in a comparison. Similarly, all of his confirmed socks are also stale. And per the privacy policy, checkuser is not allowed to compare a username to a bunch of IPs. As such, we cannot use CU in this case. If we are to draw comparisons, it will be done by behavioral evidence - hence the reason why I asked for diffs. I need specific evidence aside from a bunch of misspellings. —  Hello Annyong  (say whaaat?!) 00:25, 27 January 2011 (UTC)


 * That's not true. is the latest active sock and was blocked by Roger Davies. Jhingaadey makes regular appearances, but not as much as before. Note that the list of IPs is NOT to be compared with Jhingaadey. George1918 is editing from some IP. A CU can see if that or those IPs are from Karnataka. It's just that simple. -- Brangifer (talk) 07:25, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Maybe, but CU will not be able to tell us if the IPs are from Karnataka - that would violate the privacy policy. I had been talking about comparing against confirmed socks, not suspected ones - but I'll endorse for a check against that user anyway. —  Hello Annyong  (say whaaat?!) 14:11, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks TN. I guess we'll just have to be patient because the user is now running through the same types of nonsensical, stonewalling, circular arguments that Dr.Jhingaadey used, all the while claiming not be a pro-homeopathy editor, but constantly proving the opposite to be the case. It's going to be a long, long week........ all preventing us from doing more constructive things. -- Brangifer (talk) 01:07, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * - All of Dr.Jhingaadey's socks have gone stale, so there's no one to compare against for a CU. As such, we'll need to evaluate based on behavior. Can you give some diffs explaining your points? I'm not really seeing the connection; none of his socks have any overlap in articles with this one. —  Hello Annyong  (say whaaat?!) 13:05, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Er, okay. I'm actually endorsing this for a check against . —  Hello Annyong  (say whaaat?!) 14:11, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
 * The two accounts are ❌. TN X Man  15:15, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Honestly, Dr.Jhingaadey seems a bit more cohesive than this new guy. It could be meatpuppeting. If it's truly disruptive then take it up at ANI or something. —  Hello Annyong  (say whaaat?!) 02:13, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

03 February 2011

 * Suspected sockpuppets




 * User compare report Auto-generated every hour.

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There was a recent Dr.Jhingaadey SPI case that was probably unfounded, but I believe this one has more merit. The user is still editing on Citizendium and has made similar contributions there. This might be an accident, though, so maybe a checkuser wants to double-check. I note that the IP is from the same country, but not at all from Dr.Jhingaadey's usual geographic area, and there are many homeopaths in India. Hans Adler 10:28, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
 * It is a well established fact that the user who made the edit on Citizendium is the same person as Dr.Jhingaadey. (On his websites, in press interviews and on Wikipedia he uses various different spellings of his last name and various combinations and spellings of his first names and modes of address.) For the record, we have the following development over time:
 * 16 December Article appears in the Times of India.
 * 16 December An IP from Andhra Pradesh proposes material for inclusion on Talk:Homeopathy.
 * 17 December Dr.Jhingaadey protests about developments at Citizendium's homeopathy article.
 * 1 January Dr.Jhingaadey adds basically the IP's material condensed to a single sentence to a related Citizendium article (on water memory).
 * 31 January Periodically active account shah.milan.p is reactivated after almost a year, to redo basically the IP's talk page edit. Account subsequently tries to recruit an ally in much the same way that was typical for Dr.Jhingaadey.
 * The communication styles are similar. There are also differences: Coming from the eastern or western coast of the country, and only one of the users apparently being interested in shipping. I wasn't aware of the last point. The coincidence 16/17 December is natural since the article appeared on 16 December. Combining this with the fact that the account is probably styled after a real name, I am withdrawing this report. Hans Adler 16:04, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Comments by other users
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I agree with Hans Adler's choice to withdraw this SPI. I too suspected the user was Dr. J., and he is known to edit from places other than the usual Karnataka location, but since the username is possibly a real name, it's likely another person who happens to believe the same things.

As to the objection regarding the relevance of what's happening at Citizendium, it is very relevant. The collection of evidence about the activities of well-known individuals often takes us off-wiki because they are doing things in the real world which they also import to Wikipedia, so that is very relevant information. In this case it's rather interesting that Dr. J. was also posting the same stuff at Citizendium. If you're curious about Dr. J's thinking, take a look at his userpage at Citizendium. Even they are concerned about his obvious misuse of Citizendium to promote himself and he likely won't last long there either. Also look at his contribution history there. I am concerned about the seemingly nonchallant nature of dealing with this notorious sockmaster who is very deceptive (very in-your-face lying) and persistent. He reappears quite often, but now that he's at Citizendium, it seems he's using his time there more and here less, but he'll always be around. He can't help it. -- Brangifer (talk) 17:24, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * Wait, I don't get it. How does someone adding text on Citizendium translate to this account? Also, all the data we have on Dr.Jhingaadey is stale (except for that one potential account that we checked a few days ago, and even that may have been a meatpuppet or something). Not every homeopath that edits here is this guy, so we're going to need more actual evidence. —  Hello Annyong  (say whaaat?!) 12:57, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Case was withdrawn. —  Hello Annyong  (say whaaat?!) 17:32, 3 February 2011 (UTC)