Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Draganparis/Archive

Report date January 31 2010, 19:56 (UTC)

 * Suspected sockpuppets

The sock appeared to edit Alexander the Great and comment against another editor who was debating with Draganparis, in Talk:Alexander_the_Great, to help advance his opinion. Looking at their edits, I think this pattern has occurred before in other content disputes (see below).
 * Evidence submitted by Antipastor (talk)

Herodotus1A seems to be an obvious sockpuppet, because of the definition of the term "Googwik", by both. For example, by Herodotus1A: (in "reply" to Draganparis in Talk:Kosovo, defining "Googwik" and supporting his position) and ; by Draganparis: and, among other occurrences where he in turn defines "Googwik".

Additional (but circumstantial) evidence: Draganparis is pushing a POV concerning the words Hellenic/Greek in various articles. Herodotus1A has appeared to comment, focusing on the use of the same words and advancing the same opinion, eg Talk:Seleucid_Empire (see both accounts contributions on the page) in addition to Talk:Alexander_the_Great.

Both accounts indicate they are French and have also shown interest on the same Balkan related articles, such as Vranje. A duck test (note edit summary): and.

(checkuser might be useful to confirm the duck test evidence if there are doubts, but if not sockpuppetry this is a case of meatpuppetry) Antipastor (talk) 19:56, 31 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, even if the below reply is true (I'll refrain from commenting on the plausibility), the (previous and ongoing) participation in collaborative WP:Edit warring is problematic per WP:FAMILY. Antipastor (talk) 15:51, 2 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Comments by accused parties    See Defending yourself against claims.


 * My family uses 3 or more computers interchangeably, each of us has ONE name and password, edits his/hers own comments, often knowes what each of us wrote and we sometimes disagree. Where is the problem? Are the FYROM nationalists getting nervous?Draganparis (talk) 20:47, 1 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I saw this too!! Do somebody want to forbid me to take part on Wikipedia just because my father is already on Wikipedia? Or what? Do I have to tell you that this is my father? Is this freedom of speech? He is not my father and I do not know who this is. Full stop! To order me to disagree with my father? To tell me what to think and to write? Is this kind of Police or what? Herodotus1A (talk) 10:06, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
 * attacks removed from the above comment SpitfireTally-ho! 21:05, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

This user needs to be banned fast. He is spamming his trollish message in many articles. See "A proposition that the pages on the Ancient History of Greece and the Balkans would be temporary closed from the public and controlled by the recognised experts, thereby resembling more classical concept of encyclopaedia." which he already spammed in 3+ articles (irrelevant articles, instead of going to the Admin board for such a policy change request). See his contribution history. Simanos (talk) 18:06, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Comments by other users
 * "My family uses 3 or more computers interchangeably"(?): If Draganparis' logic will win here then every "clever guy" in WP will became "family" doubling or tripling its presence. Who will stop everyone to do it? The problem "Herodotus1A" is that you always agree. No any other comments. --Factuarius (talk) 03:21, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
 * He is blocked for 1 week now and his sockpuppet indefinetely. Let's hope he learns his lesson. Simanos (talk) 13:32, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Draganparis has admitted to have at least 2 socketpuppets. We should know both of their names. GK1973 (talk) 11:23, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Which sock puppet? –MuZemike 18:26, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Clerk, patrolling admin and checkuser comments
 * Herodotus1A Simanos (talk) 14:42, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

FisherQueen notified him of the indefinite block but (likely accidentally) never issued the block. I went ahead and issued that block as I do concur with him and the behavioral evidence given. Personally, I don't buy the family-tagteaming excuse. –MuZemike 18:34, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Conclusions

Evidence submitted by GK1973
User Draganparis often engages in discussions with or receives comments from certain accounts with impressively short histories, which seem to have the single purpose to give an illusion of agreement to his concerns. These accounts seem to often use his signature phraseology ("Googwik", Ostrogorsky, etc) and all seem to have been created in the last one or two months.

User Perdikka I has to this moment 5 contributions, 4 in Talk:Macedonia (ancient kingdom) and 1 in Talk:Saints Cyril and Methodius, all instances providing support to Draganparis

Users Maxkrueg 1 and Maxkrueger1 are most possibly the same person, as their names suggest

The account of User Maxkrueg 1 was created in January 2010 and has a more diverse history (21 edits today). He also often takes part in discussions in which Draganparis also participates and is also interested in promoting the same apparent goals. He also uses arguments used all too often by Draganparis. Compare written by Maxkrueg 1 and, written by Draganparis. Compare also by Maxkrueg 1 and  by Draganparis in the same discussion. He also uses Draganparis' beloved term "Googwik" here, as it was used by the established puppet of Draganparis Herodotus1A here and by Draganparis here.

The account of user Maxkrueger1 seems to at least be a puppet of Maxkrueg 1. Its only contribution is a reply to Draganparis here. He seemingly "disapproves" of the "leniency" Draganparis shows to Greek nationalism, but it was obviously used to indirectly bring forward arguments and create an illusion of controversy.

The account of user Pirinec has also a total history of 1 edit here, which was only a prelude for a position taken by Draganparis right after.

Comments by accused parties
See Defending yourself against claims. I am sorry, I do not know who these editors could be. Herrodotus1 was my son of course. He probably does not write any more comments on Wikipedia. If he does, I really can not stop him of doing this, and would not even try to stop him. But the community knows about him and I immediately indicated, after being warned about 1-2 months ago, that he could be supporting my views. However, it is his freedom to do what he wants. The persons who are cited now do not seam to support my point of view anyway and present radical points of view that I in fact try to challenge exactly on this very site. I introduced the term "googwik scientist" long time ago on some related pages, I had in mind quite benign, charming connotations to Google and Wikpedia funs and it appears that people like it. Sorry, I can not see any link. The only link I see is that GK1973 is frustrated with my exposing his/hers violation of Wikipedia rules of the use the sources. Or is probably embarrassed by some fully referenced evidence that I brought recently, which opposed his/hers quite radical point of view expressed on these pages. Accusing me for sockpuppeting is probably a strategy to respond to the arguments to which he/she does not have adequate response.Draganparis (talk) 19:51, 15 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, there is one thing I have to ask you to do. At the university where I am, I have 3 Greek students. I do not want to accuse them directly (and the matter is quite benign), but who strongly disagree with me and we have quite nice time fighting and discussing the issues I discuss on Wikipedia also. And they know for my activity on Wilipedia. Please verify the above persons IP numbers. It is remotely possible that some of them made quite unpleasant joke using our university computers which i also use. There is of course no danger - I will not persecute them. I find this quite charming, no more and no less. Thank you very much indeed.Draganparis (talk) 20:13, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
 * If it proves that these four would be my students, please contact me over my e-mail which is known to Wikimedia.Draganparis (talk) 06:33, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I disclosed my identity on my user:draganparis page as a hidden comment. The user GK1973 insults me even on this very page (below). Would you please make sure that the editor GK1973 stops insulting me. I hardly insulted him/her once and this was accidental, but I asked immediately for apology. He/she is insulting me permanently. Thank you very much indeed.Draganparis (talk) 23:48, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I just checked on Wikipedia and was really surprised to find myself accused by some of " sockpuppetting " ...Well ,what I'm suppossed to answer to such laughable accusations,especially the one that I've had only 1 edit in Wikipedia???Is that against the rules or the gentleman/lady has started his/her edits with number 4-5? Another ridiculious claim:"All of them have edited from the same university as DP et al"....Beg a pardon? I do not know all of the guys who inflict so much disquiet among most of the obviously panhelenistic supporters here.I DO LIVE IN UK and so far have never ever used any PC in Germany or around.It looks to me that some Greeks are using Wikipedia as a battlefield to fight their nationalistic complex of inferiority instead of discussing the scientific evidence in proper manner with respect to the opponents. It's pitty so often to see people when lacking arguments and facts so readily jumping on personal allegations and conspiracy theories. Now I demand apology from  those people if they stil have left some little  dignity and self-respect!  Pirinec13:46, 22 March 2010 (UTC)~  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pirinec (talk • contribs)

Comments by other users
Answering to user Draganparis' accusations regarding my person and motives is of no importance here, so I will not. As to his claims that these accounts might be the "three Greek students" he has at the "university he is working" are also beyond logic, since all these accounts are distinctly anti-Greek. They are also naive, since he thinks that we should admire him for an unsupported claim that he is some kind of an academian teaching (us) history. His answer could (in my eyes) be summarized as : "I have no idea who these accounts are but should you find common IPS, then it is some Greeks playing pranks on me".... As I have shown, these accounts share many common characteristics, one of them being Draganparis' invented word "Googwik". Now we are waiting to see whether there are any common IPS (similarity in country of origin would also be a sign to be interpreted by the admins).Or maybe they could be "his son" again, since they certainly seem to operate in the exact same way as user Herodotus 1A did. GK1973 (talk) 14:42, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
 * LOL first it was his family, now it is his students. The pathetic lies keep coming on, don't they? Simanos (talk) 16:33, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
 * So.. all these accounts have been confirmed to have been generated and operated in the same locality, not just country. Given the fact that all are very single purposed, user Draganparis has either himself used other computers in the same locality, or for some inexplicable reason, some people close to him (at least in locality) happened to dabble with Wikipedia in the exact same pages he edited, commenting on his proposals, supporting his views...Thus, should these not just be yet more sockpuppets, then we are simply talking about meatpuppets, recruited in his place of work/study etc... Nice going... GK1973 (talk) 10:37, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Clerk, patrolling admin and checkuser comments
Requested by GK1973 (talk) 15:56, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

for checkuser to look for links between: Thanks, SpitfireTally-ho! 16:06, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
 * , and.
 * Also endorsed to look for links between and

case opened by Draganparis moved to Sockpuppet investigations/Athenean SpitfireTally-ho! 21:56, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

is unquestionably, and given that has only edited from a university, I'm going to call that ✅ as well. The others, I am not so sure. All of them have edited from the same university as DP et al, but they have edited from other locations as well, and their "home IPs" are not the same as Draganparis'. From a technical standpoint, I really don't know. J.delanoy gabs adds 14:06, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Is the university in Germany as Draganparis claims? Also, how do you know that Maxkrueg is unquestionably Draganparis? Did they have the same home IP too? Simanos (talk) 16:42, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Can you please answer this? Is the university in Germany (as Dragen claims) or the UK as Pirinec claims to be now? BTW Pirinec is a Bulgarian name I think so I wouldn't be surprised to find out that he and Dragan are both (if they are different persons) Bulgarians or FYROMians. Perhaps living in another country though Simanos (talk) 11:52, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
 * It does not matter. The question here is whether they are socks not what their origin is, or whether they tell the truth about their place of living. GK 13:17, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Normally I wouldn't care but Dragan gave his details to wikimedia that he's a PhD in Germany with many publications (see his page) and Pirinec says he's in UK. If someone is lying about that as this checkuser proves they should be banned imo. Simanos (talk) 14:12, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

There's not enough behavioral evidence from what I can see as to whether or not Perdikka I or Pirinec are related. No action taken at this time. –MuZemike 19:33, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

29 January 2011

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Behavioural evidence on the talk page Talk:Saints Cyril and Methodius. The IPs geolocate to different cities in Europe but might link in somehow. Diannaa (Talk) 16:56, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Buridan 2001's first and only edit was to the C&M talk page. -- Diannaa (Talk) 20:20, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Comments by other users
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Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments
Draganparis is stale and Burdan2001 has exactly one edit, 9 days after Housfrau's last edit. I don't see anything to be done here. Frank &#124;  talk  12:30, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
 * It's possible that the fact a report was filed has led to the activity ceasing. Thanks for your time. -- Diannaa (Talk) 20:01, 8 February 2011 (UTC)


 * - As per Frank and Diannaa. -- DQ  (t)   (e)  23:58, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
 * No action taken at the moment. T. Canens (talk) 05:58, 11 February 2011 (UTC)