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This user has been blocked for 60 hours for disruptive behavior, the latest being in an edit war over removing a section of Emma (wrestler). Suddenly, another user with the same name but with "8" added repeats the removal. I'm asking for a checkuser in case sleepers are present. w L &lt;speak&middot;check&gt; 11:08, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

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 * Admin action needed - . I think the risk of sleepers is low. Would an admin indef Dwdpuma8 and reset the 60-hour block on Dwdpuma for block evasion (per WP:EVADE)? Kevin ( aka L235 ·&#32; t ·&#32; c) 21:16, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Sock indeffed and master blocked for 3 days. Closing.  Vanjagenije  (talk)  21:50, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

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The three of these accounts seem to have a highly vested interest in promoting Whatculture Pro Wrestling, adding links to this group across several wikipedia articles, but what raised a red flag for my was the tlak page of the now deleted Whatculture Pro Wrestling article, which had multiple contested deletion notices from several isp's and a handful of what looked to be fairly new accounts which seemed to jump straight to the article's defense, which as we all know is one of those tell tale signs of a sockpuppet. In the case of TomMoney, all his contributions were to the wrestling group page, In the case of redslots most his contributions were to the wrestling article, and in the case of Xxdaniel his most recent contributions were to the wrestling article. All three of the named accounts here have promoted this group across several articles here and as you can there have been warnings about the apparent promotional nature of these edits. In the case of the MemeLoad account, I'm a little fuzzy on whether or not the account is in on this, however the nature of the edits as part of a wrestling collective suggest that it should be looked at just to make sure its not a sleeper. TomStar81 (Talk) 00:24, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

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 * Thanks for submitting this. I had my concerns that there might be some sockpuppetry going on here too but it wasn't obvious enough for me to point to a sockmaster and a list of socks I felt confident about. There is clearly something not right going on vis-a-vis WhatCulture Pro Wrestling. If it is not sockpuppetry then it is meatpuppetry, off-site canvassing or something along those lines. One or two crazed fans for almost any non-notable media thing are bound to fetch up on Wikipedia but the way so many accounts and IPs have suddenly taken a very similar interest in WCPW is very fishy. Maybe some are genuine fans acting in good faith but I'm pretty sure that that does not account for the whole phenomenon. --DanielRigal (talk) 19:36, 30 September 2016 (UTC)


 * I just updated pages that contain WCPW sections, no intention of promoting it, I understand the worry, but my only intent was to keep pages up to date and didn't think I was doing anything wrong - TheOGMemeLord420

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 * The following accounts are ✅:
 * The remaining accounts are ❌ to each other and to the master.
 * Blocked the unblocked confirmed accounts and tagged.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:39, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Everything looks good here - closing. GABgab 16:37, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
 * The remaining accounts are ❌ to each other and to the master.
 * Blocked the unblocked confirmed accounts and tagged.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:39, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Everything looks good here - closing. GABgab 16:37, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

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On a routine pass through the logs tab I noticed that the article Whatculture Pro Wrestling had been recreated, the above account apparently another burner for sock to promote a deleted article. This accoutn has also edit the article Joe Hendry (wrestler), who is related to the wrestling league, and the previously id'd socks appear to have edit that page as well. The latter account also has a deleted contribution attempt to recreate the article What Culture Pro Wrestling. TomStar81 (Talk) 03:16, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

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 * Epicdragon34352 is . Millispede is ❌. Katietalk 14:46, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
 * A quick comparison of editing history shows some resemblance to known sockpuppets, but nothing that couldn't be just due to similar interests. In view of the fact that Epicdragon34352's editing history was restricted to a single day just over five months ago, and the negative CU result for Millispede, there is no point spending more time on this, so I am closing the investigation. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 11:20, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

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WhatCulture pro wrestling reemerged today at a new title, created by the above account. This account is new, so in fairness here may have inadvertently sailed into this minefield without knowing it, but given that there have been multiple attempts to recreate this article and different accounts involved in that attempt I am taking no chances. This newest account has created several wrestlers that apparently participate in wrestling overseas and in the US, while I see nothing specific linking past attempts beyond the recreation of this article I am seeing evidence from the talk page that the account is creating articles for less than notable wrestlers and that the account is attempting to contest prods from the community on pages by removing the prod template. In the interest of covering all bases I'm listing this here for an officials review. TomStar81 (Talk) 06:39, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

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There are several more accounts that are almost solely interested in WhatCulture Pro Wrestling :

These two are : -  Vanjagenije  (talk)  14:46, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
 * - Can we check those non-stale accounts (including Philipmorton7773) against each other?  Vanjagenije  (talk)  14:46, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Philipmorton7773 is ✅ to . Blocked the sock, increased the master’s block to indefinite, and tagged both.
 * The remaining accounts are ❌ to each other and between ❌ and very to the master.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:55, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Case closed.  Vanjagenije  (talk)  19:24, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

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Lots of quacking in contribs, also some of those quacks were followed by slightly very much in tune with the previously blocked ducklings. CHRISSY MAD ❯❯❯  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯  20:45, 18 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Forgot this quack too. CHRISSY MAD  ❯❯❯  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯  20:46, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

Added 2 more based on contribs to the draft + single interest in WPCW + naming convention. It's getting meaty. CHRISSY MAD ❯❯❯  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯  19:54, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

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 * I dropped the hammer at the page, then implemented a perment lockdown. TomStar81 (Talk) 01:33, 20 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Can we add User:Wrestlingloveditor? Couldn't be more of a duck if he tried. oknazevad (talk) 19:10, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
 * That may actually be Martimc123 CHRISSY MAD  ❯❯❯  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯  20:09, 24 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Just an observation - I looked at the archive and I'm thinking that while there have been some socks found there are others from a sock point of view that have be ruled unrelated. But what about meat puppetry? Has that been considered? There is a ground swell of opinion that What Culture Pro Wrestling should have an article, and an equal amount of ignorance of WP rules and regs. A new draft has been created now at Draft:WCPW by an account making it's first edit since 2015. Maybe a sock and maybe worth checking out - and I'll add it when I publish this - but meat puppetry appears to be the big issue here. Suggest salting all the pages that have been deleted including the draft space. 101.182.34.93 (talk) 09:28, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Correction - it's not a new draft. It was created in early February. So probably stale, but still possibly a meat puppet. 101.182.34.93 (talk) 09:30, 1 April 2017 (UTC)


 * To any admin viewing, this is a meat puppet issue. All the editors listed in this entry except for Ellettwweshack were confirmed below as the one user, but I believe that one user plus Ellettwweshack are meat puppets of the sock master here due to the What Culture Pro Wrestling related edits. I would also add the following editors from the archive as meat puppets as well - Readslots, Millispede, Epicdragon34352 (those two contributed to a WCPW mainstay wrestler) and MattRichie1998. I suspect given the nomination as socks that ProWrestling101, Cazyjj26 and Aced126 edited on deleted articles related to WCPW as well. There has been a history of determined efforts to put WCPW on Wikipedia despite repeated notes that the promotion fails WP guidelines and it can't be limited to one person. Hopefully this can be looked into and as an aside everything that has been deleted should be admin salted to send the message that this won't be tolerated until a properly sourced article can be created. 101.182.34.93 (talk) 22:06, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

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 * The listed puppets, except Ellettwweshack, are ✅ to each other and ❌ to the master. Blocked without tags.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:21, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

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Seems likely to be meat or a sock as the creation is an amalgamation of several of the prior WCPW. See: What Culture Pro Wrestling, What Culture Pro-Wrestling etc... CHRISSY MAD ❯❯❯  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯  14:45, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

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What's a sockpuppet? DeanoBarka — Preceding unsigned comment added by DeanoBarka (talk • contribs) 16:08, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Definitely at least a meat puppet if not a sock puppet. Everyone of them has an overblown opinion of WCPW and haven't backed it up relying on name wrestlers totally against WP:INHERIT and non independent reliable sourcing. I hope these latest creations attempts have been salted. 101.182.34.93 (talk) 06:39, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

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 * . Blocked. Primefac (talk) 15:14, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

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More meat/socks see WCPW World Championship Also naming convention TheNewHelper41, TheWrestlerHelper15 etc... I also see that the last group weren't technically related to the master but are we treating these like meat or should this go under a new SPI? CHRISSY MAD ❯❯❯  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯  09:42, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

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 * Primefac (talk) 15:15, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

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Another duck, adding for the record. Primefac (talk) 15:15, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

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 * Primefac (talk) 15:15, 29 April 2017 (UTC)


 * All accounts except Ellettwweshack have already been blocked, and I can't see any reason why the case has not already been closed, so I'm closing it now. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 11:36, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

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User has re-created What Culture Pro Wrestling in draft as noted here after it was deleted as noted here. Continuation of previous conduct per WP:DUCK and likely yet another meat puppet if not a sock persisting in trying to create this article. Naming convention appears similar with the number added to the name. Edits to the draft are this user's only edits very close to after the account's creation as noted here. A comparison to the deleted version may reveal previous knowledge of this issue which also goes to evidence of either meat or sock puppetry. 101.182.45.178 (talk) 09:59, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

Also adding TheBuilder456 based on the naming convention and single interest in WCPW. CHRISSY MAD ❯❯❯  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯  23:22, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

Adding the 79 IP due to a huge concentration of edits within the single interest line. 101.182.45.178 (talk) 01:12, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

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 * Comment: Under other circumstances I might consider that a new draft on this subject could be a completely different person having a go in good faith without knowing the history. This is far too elaborate. This one includes the logo and a heap of non-RS references which (from memory) look similar to those added before when they tried to confuse us with quantity over quality. A new editor wouldn’t even know that there was a logo already uploaded and wouldn't know to try the same trick with the references. I very much suspect that this is the resurrection of one of the old drafts but even without complete certainty of that its clearly Duck Season. --DanielRigal (talk) 14:47, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
 * BTW, I have put all the WCPW logos I can find on the Commons up for deletion. Maybe this will finally give them the message that they are not going to get anywhere with this nonsense. --DanielRigal (talk) 15:28, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Oh, and also all the images of the WCPW title belts on Wikipedia. I checked the contributions of the user who uploaded those and I'm not hearing any strong quacking so I'm not adding them here. --DanielRigal (talk) 17:44, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that strong back up. Well said. 101.182.45.178 (talk) 22:01, 5 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment: First I'm not a sockpuppet and I don't know who this user called Dwdpuma is, simply listen I'm not here on making vandalism and all, I'm only here in Wikipedia with one objective make wikipedia great on professional wrestling and I have interest in all of the professional wrestling world including WCPW because it's new and it's getting higher and bigger around the world but if you are telling that I'm not welcomed, and you don't need me and you don't appreciate my contributions, only to delete them and having all to you, so why should I continue to contribute in wikipedia?
 * Thanks for your time TheBuilder456 (talk) 11:44, 7 May 2017 (UTC)


 * As I have implied before, and would now like to state directly, we need to be alive to the possibility that not everybody who writes about WCPW is automatically a sockpuppet of the original spammer(s). It does have fans and it is possible that people with no prior knowledge of this fiasco could turn up here and walk into a minefield without knowing. In the case of TheSwordofHell23 there are other things linking that account to the previous spamming: reuse of the old logos and the same approach of using vast numbers on non-RS "references" while TheBuilder456 quacks less strongly to me. There are still some concerns: The mere fact that he found the draft, for example.
 * Anyway, let me assume good faith and offer TheBuilder456 some advice:
 * Don't worry about being named in a sockpuppet investigation if you are not a sockpuppet. People are not blocked without clear evidence that they are involved in wrongdoing. It has happened to me a couple of times and I'm still here.
 * To me, WCPW looks like a dead loss when it comes to a Wikipedia article. It may be big with the fandom but it is not yet able to pass our requirements for general notability.
 * But don't we have other articles on pro-wrestling that have the same problems? Quite possibly. If so, those need to be swept out too. It doesn't justify having another invalid article on the subject.
 * Even if we could have an article on WCPW it would have to be entirely different from the one in the draft. All the minor details (what we term "facncruft") and all that "in universe" stuff about feuds would have to go. Please remember that this is Pro Wresting. It is entertainment not sport. It is as real as what goes on in Doctor Who. Any article about WCPW would need to be written from a factual "outside" view with reliable sources to back it up.
 * There is nothing stopping WCPW fans from starting their own free wiki somewhere else where they can get together and write whatever they like and not have to worry about any of our rules. This is not just my way of telling you to "get lost". I really do think that it is the best way for you to do what you want to do without upsetting other people, meeting resistance and getting frustrated. Lots of other groups have done this and some of their wikis have become successful parts of their fan communities. Of course, that would not mean that you would have to give up on Wikipedia completely. You could do encyclopadic stuff here and fan stuff in the other place if you wanted to.
 * --DanielRigal (talk) 12:24, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
 * And this isn't just about sock puppetry either. This is also about meat puppetry. The concentration on WCPW is suspicious on the latter - there is an implied consensus that WCPW is not notable, and this is being ignored by a clear concentration of editing by a range of users. No one is finding the smoking gun that makes it notable - because AFAIK at least there isn't one. A statement that not getting your way on one article, Builder, will cause you to leave is a very suspicious comment IMHO. 101.182.45.178 (talk) 00:53, 9 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment: Do you now what 101.182.45.178 what is your deal with me? I'm not a sock or meat puppet and I don't who is Dwdpuma, I simply wanna why you want to delete the WCPW article is because of what? Because you in wikipedia don't like WCPW because it is not notable enough, this is not suspicious what I want is a clarification and if I'm not welcomed to contribute to wikipedia and make it great, so I think that you don't need me or my contributions either. TheBuilder456 (talk) 15:51, 9 May 2017 (UTC) P.s:You can call a checkuser to see if I am sockpuppet or not, and do you know what do what ever you want. Ban me, kick me out, tell that I'm not reliable, do what ever you want the messsage is upthere, now it's on you.

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 * I wonder if CU was actually necessary here since it was so obvious. Tip for the blocked sock accounts: if you really want to throw us off the scent, have one account write in proper English. Accounts blocked, not yet tagged. Drmies (talk) 16:07, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
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