Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Elene13/Archive

Suspected sockpuppets
This involves vote stacking (delete) at the tumultous Articles for deletion/House of Romay. With the exception of the master, all the users are relatively new, and the master doesn't have many edits. I'm requesting CU because there's a significant possibility this is meat puppetry rather than socking. Not much else to say except that I did notice one odd thing: Elene13 created Draft:Rachel Steed-Middleton on February 11, 2024, and Daliaxer created Draft:Bo Shao on January 21, 2024. BTW, unless you have a strong stomach, don't read Talk:House of Romay. Bbb23 (talk) 14:56, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Comments by other users

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Agree that UPE appears likely. Noting that Elene13 left an edit summary "Added more information about client's career and achievements" in this edit; she later claimed on her talk page (without much explanation) that this was a mistake. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 18:56, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments
These are confirmed to each other:

Unrelated to the those, Elene13 is editing from the same country as Daliaxer and Virtualmistik. The latter two are in the same part of the country and. I find these three all really rather unusual, like if someone were to conclude there was some UPE from them I wouldn't be at all surprised. -- zzuuzz (talk) 15:40, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I've blocked and tagged the three confirmed accounts with Mopertcasocp as the master., please clarify your findings about Elene13, Daliaxer, and Virtualmistik. Are you saying that all three are possilikely to each other, or only that Daliaxer and Virtualmistik are possilikely to each other and that Elene13's only technical connection with them is they are editing from the same country? Thanks. Bbb23 (talk) 15:58, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
 * The latter. I would clarify that Daliaxer and Virtualmistik are possilikely to each other, and what you said about Elene13 is (technically) correct. In both cases as you know we can't always distinguish meatpuppetry - IMO the (technical) chances of these three independently editing the same AfD are vanishingly small and inherently suspicious. -- zzuuzz (talk) 16:07, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
 * - I've blocked Elene13, Virtualmistik, and Daliaxer as suspected. Please separate the two cases, creating another with Mopertcasocp as the master. Bbb23 (talk) 16:59, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
 * opened Sockpuppet investigations/Mopertcasocp. Closing. 0x Deadbeef →∞ (talk to me) 15:15, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
new account immediately going to an AfD with previous socking Drowssap  SMM  21:55, 22 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Noticed the username appears to be almost identical to the ones behind the posts (couple of which were posted on the AfD discussion by the blocked sockpuppets, and include the exact same info) on Wikimedia by:
 * MarieChab: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Mariechab MChrisHabs:https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Mchrishabs
 * Their Wikimedia posts:
 * https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Mariechab https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ricardo_de_Romay-_Fake_Aristocrat.jpg
 * https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Diego_de_Romay-_Fake_Aristocrats.jpg?uselang=en
 * https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Diego_de_Romay-_Fake_Aristocrat.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Diego_de_Romay_Exposed_as_a_Liar_and_Fraud,_Major_Newspaper_Uncovers_the_Truth.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Diego_de_Romay_Exposed_as_a_Liar_and_Fraud,_El_Universal_Newspaper_Uncovers_the_Truth.jpghttps://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Diego_de_Romay,_Un_fraude_descubierto_por_El_Universal_en_una_investigación_reveladora.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Diego_de_Romay%27s_Obsession_with_Aristocracy_and_Desperate_to_be_Related_to_the_Habsburgs.jpg
 * The above appear connected to these posts below, a couple also posted on the AfD discussion page (by the blocked sockpuppets):
 * https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Plmlogin31
 * https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Diego_de_Romay_Basail-_Fraudsters_and_Obsession_with_Aristocracy.jpg
 * https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Diego_de_Romay-Basail_-_The_Fake_Aristocrat_and_the_Nonexistent_House_of_Romay.jpg
 * https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Diego_de_Romay-Basail_-_debunked_by_Spanish_Nobility_and_Ministry_of_Justice_in_Spain.jpg
 * It is all very bizarre. The emotional tone of the content against that family, allegations that aren't found anywhere besides these users and the disreputable sites the blocked sockpuppets listed in the article's discussion page, not to mention the title of the uploads are directed primarily at one individual. Is there a way of verifying the above Wikimedia users? Benzeneshamus (talk) 00:10, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

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Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * Appears technically ❌ to both the Elene13 and Mopertcasocp groups, which doesn't rule out meatpuppetry. None of the other accounts mentioned above are attached to enwiki, so I can't run any checks on them. c:COM:RFCU may be useful. Spicy (talk) 00:54, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Indeffed as WP:NOTHERE. Some sort of coordination seems likely, but based on the CU I'm not willing to tag the account as a sock. The Wordsmith Talk to me 00:38, 20 March 2024 (UTC)