Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Enric Naval/Archive

Evidence submitted by Steve3849
Suspected of contributing to the same page with multiple accounts and creating an illusion of support at User_talk:Captain_Occam and at User_talk:Jimbo_Wales on June 11, 12 2010 and at User talk:Verbal February 12, 2010. The accounts Verbal and Enric Naval consistently contribute on different blocks of time. - Steve3849  14:27, 12 June 2010 (UTC)


 * at User_talk:Captain_Occam
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Captain_Occam&diff=prev&oldid=367498817
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Captain_Occam&diff=prev&oldid=367502812
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Captain_Occam&diff=prev&oldid=367567267


 * at User_talk:Jimbo_Wales
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&diff=prev&oldid=367495761
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&diff=prev&oldid=367498077
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&diff=prev&oldid=367508411
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&diff=prev&oldid=367516073
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&diff=next&oldid=367551161
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&diff=prev&oldid=367739866
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&diff=prev&oldid=367740150
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&diff=prev&oldid=367741567
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&diff=prev&oldid=367741699
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&diff=prev&oldid=367742080
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&diff=prev&oldid=367752450
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&diff=prev&oldid=367760468
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&diff=prev&oldid=367761926
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&diff=prev&oldid=367765439

- Steve3849  15:00, 13 June 2010 (UTC)


 * at User talk:Verbal
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Verbal/Old01&diff=prev&oldid=343566933
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Verbal/Old01&diff=next&oldid=343579239

- Steve3849  15:23, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Comments by accused parties
See Defending yourself against claims.

One more to add to my list. Eric is better than I. I'd also have to be schizophrenic. Verbal chat  16:55, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
 * This would take one hell of a lot of effort! And all to give not very effective advice to one user? Verbal chat  17:01, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Wow he's serious. "Persecuted"! If people actually require me to comment seriously, please let me know. Verbal chat  19:49, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Admittedly "persecution" is the wrong term. That particular user is currently blocked, which is a form of 'discipline' -- what I meant. - Steve3849  20:30, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. I think you'd cheer everyone by reducing unnecessary workload if you withdrew this. Verbal chat

So, I use a main account to write clumsy-worded sentences in English and with barely a grasp of knowledge of physics. And then I create a sock account to write perfect English with solid understanding of physics and maths? Yeah, I would have to be schizophrenic to accomplish such a feat.

Also, I am a native speaker of Spanish and Catalan, I have made from the start certain errors that are typical of Spanish natives, and my English has been improving progressively since 2004. Meanwhile, Verbal has consistently shown since May 2008 a perfect command of English as a native speaker of English. It would take a genius to simulate this consistently over +40.000 edits and 2 years, not to mention a perfect command of both Spanish and English at the native speaker level.

Then again, I can understand that someone can be confused by some evidence. Checking my edit count, I started editing wikipedia again back in February 2008, and Verbal started editing in May 2008. And, checking Verbal's own edit counter, his pie chart is similar to mine. (PD:and the wikistalk tool shows 271 pages edited by both of us, oh, yeah, baby. And we are both members of the article rescue squadron, I kid you not) However, any writing analysis will show two different persons. Our personalities are too different to be represented credibly by a single person over so many substantive edits. Again, only a schizophrenic could manage to pull that successfully. --Enric Naval (talk) 22:55, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Comments by other users
Come on Verbal, admit it now ... over 2 years or so and your 19,000 edits and Enric's 20,000+ edits, you two have edited 289 of the same pages, including ANI and AIV! Clearly, based on this and this, you have soooo much time to sock to the tune of 40,000 edits! ( talk→  BWilkins   ←track ) 17:39, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Clerk, patrolling admin and checkuser comments
I don't see a case of sockpuppetry here, but rather two editors whose paths happen to cross and possibly have the same pages watchlisted. None of the evidence provided has indicated any sort of relation, let alone abusive behavior. Is there other evidence you can provide? TN X Man 16:51, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The evidence is stated. Blocked time of the editors' contributions are often adjacent, but rarely overlap. The recent diffs I presented if by one sole user are inappropriate as they are directed (as two users) to one persecuted user on the same talk page. If it is sockpuppetry then it would be good to nip the behavior in the bud. If they are two genuine users then no worries. - Steve3849  19:13, 13 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I have also left a note for both accounts notifying them of this discussion. TN X Man  16:54, 13 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Frivolous case. No action taken. T. Canens (talk) 23:53, 14 June 2010 (UTC)