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Creation of deleted page Burak Oguz Saguner agt x  05:02, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

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If behavioral evidence links the master, should this be renamed/moved to Deluxeman given that it is the older account? ☆ Bri (talk) 15:14, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Although Deluxeman appears to be the oldest in this particular SPI, there could be interrelated sockfarms. This is kind of complicated but I'll lay out some reasoning here. Weak link exists to at least one other sockfarm.
 * A version of Kobi Arad deleted 2 January 2017 was apparently created by Earflaps (WP:Sockpuppet investigations/MusicLover650).
 * The Peter Pattern sock requested permission to recreate it here
 * Peter Pattern is tagged for the Perfect Orange Sphere farm. However they also were CU confirmed in this SPI.

Cheers ☆ Bri (talk) 17:16, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

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 * - Please compare these accounts. Thanks, GABgab 15:34, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
 * The alleged master and YourFavoriteTutor are ❌.
 * YourFavoriteTutor is ✅ from and . . Katietalk 19:32, 10 September 2017 (UTC)
 * - Could I get an admin to compare the three versions of Burak Oguz Saguner? Sir Sputnik (talk) 23:24, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
 * this one is tough. I wouldn't call the articles identical by any means, but there is core content that remains consistent between all three versions. At the same time, there are significant formatting a prose style differences. I'm not confident that the same person wrote all three. I think its more likely that this has been farmed out to different freelancers by either the subject or a firm. TonyBallioni (talk) 02:21, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
 * - Given that this case overlaps with at least three other investigations, I think what's going on here is that we've got unrelated UPE sockfarms responding to the same job offers. There's not much to go on with alleged master. If their version of Burak Oguz Saguner shows obvious signs of COI editing please block them for meatpuppetry. Please block the other socks indefinitely given the CU results. Could I also get an admin clerk to merge this case into Sockpuppet investigations/Perfect Orange Sphere? Sir Sputnik (talk) 02:52, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
 * the CU result for Peter Pattern was ❌ to Perfect Orange Sphere, and Deluxeman is not blocked. Could you take another look? FWIW my opinion of the deleted revisions is the same as TonyBallioni's, but to me each recreation is similar enough to the previously deleted version to suggest it was based on either supplied copy or one of those sites that caches deleted Wikipedia articles. To me, the activity of both Ewagertrudezelazny and YourFavoriteTutor suggests undisclosed paid editing, and Tony's theory of multiple firms responding to the same offers seems reasonable. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 16:04, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
 * That was my supposition also. I admittedly missed the fact that Peter Pattern was not connected to Perfect Orange Sphere. Given that this case should probably remain were it is. However, with Peter Pattern blocked, YourFavouriteTutor and Deluxeman do need to be blocked for evasion given the CU result. As for Ewagertrudezelazny, I'll leave that to your discretion since I can't actually see the relevant evidence, but what you're describing sure sounds like blockable meatpuppetry to me. Sir Sputnik (talk) 18:14, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
 * ok, sorry to be stubborn, but I don't see the evidence for Deluxeman. Katie's result is but I don't see it. Did you find something? Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 21:20, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I assume the wiki-markup is making Katie's comment hard to read. With out it, it says YourFavoriteTutor is Technically indistinguishable from Deluxeman and Peter Pattern. That seems pretty clear cut to me. The evaluation of behavioural evidence was needed to potentially tie these three to Ewagertrudezelazny. Or am I misunderstanding that? Sir Sputnik (talk) 21:26, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Let's ask ! My interpretation of the checkusers using ✅ instead of ✅ is that there's more to the story, but I agree it's not exactly clear from the comment. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 21:29, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
 * It means the technical details match but I can't put them necessarily on the same range. I don't remember what the situation is here exactly (because September) but we often use it, for example, if editors are using proxies or webhosts, or if the accounts geolocate the same but they're on different ISPs (cellular vs broadband and so on). Katietalk 02:55, 19 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Having cleared up my misunderstanding of the CU evidence, it seems to me no further action is necessary. All of the potential meatpuppets have been inactive for months now. The page that triggered all of this is deleted and protected so further recreation is unlikely, making blocks unnecessary. Closing. Sir Sputnik (talk) 17:58, 26 November 2017 (UTC)