Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Extrapolaris/Archive

Suspected sockpuppets



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This is very clearly the same person, aside from the near dozen creations of previously deleted content, they've recreated Wright L among others with an identical summary to that of ie, 04:34, 12 February 2021 diff hist +2,467‎  N Wright L ‎ New article creation  CUPIDICAE💕  21:11, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
 * The original reason that the account by User:Extrapolaris was blocked was because I was caught pasting material from copyrighted websites. Now however, I don't engage in copyright violations anymore as I've understood copyright rules for Wikipedia, so the best solution is to unblock the account for Extrapolaris and merge the User:Supercalifornication and Convariety accounts with the Extrapolaris account.Convariety (talk) 22:01, 16 February 2021 (UTC)Vahe Demirjian
 * Have you considered, I don't know, follow the correct unblock procedure and maybe, like, not socking? The best solution is for you not to edit while blocked. Seems fairly obvious. CUPIDICAE💕  22:04, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I've asked the administrator several times to unblock me in the past because I don't paste copyrighted material from other webpages into new articles I created, but they didn't respond to my calls.Convariety (talk) 22:07, 16 February 2021 (UTC)Vahe Demirjian

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Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * . Closing. TonyBallioni (talk) 23:21, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

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Similar editing pattern to Special:Contributions/Convariety, including creating articles on rare aircraft using WikiProject Aircraft/Missing articles lists.

Also admitted to being this user here by signing as "Vahe Demirjian", which Convariety also did. BilCat (talk) 21:31, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

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Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * for 1 month, closing. Mz7 (talk) 01:01, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets



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Similar editing pattern to Special:Contributions/Convariety, including creating articles on rare aircraft using WikiProject Aircraft/Missing articles lists. Also appears to be recreating articles originally created by socks of Extrapolaris, particularly https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Vickers+Type+C BilCat (talk) 01:55, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

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 * for training. --Jack Frost (talk) 05:11, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
 * - The recreation of Vickers Type C and interest in WikiProject Aircraft quacks loudly, though the initial interest in technology is new (though very short-lived). --Jack Frost (talk) 23:45, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
 * - ~TheresNoTime (to explain!) 19:39, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Checking against previous data shows they are very  to be . Would recommend closing as ❌ ~TheresNoTime (to explain!) 19:45, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Closing, as recommended. --Jack Frost (talk) 02:24, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
Edits the usual range of Extrapolaris articles, including dinosaurs and aircraft. Specifically, he creates draft aircraft articles until autoconfirmed, and then creates new articles, and adds/subtracts articles from WikiProject Aircraft/Missing articles/1 and WikiProject Aircraft/Missing articles/2, etc. These drafts and new articles are usually poorly written, and often use unreliable sources. Has added copyvios in the past, which lead to his original block, so that may still be an issue. Was recently active on several IPs, but I'm not listing them to avoid potential outing issues. BilCat (talk) 22:10, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

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''Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.'' I don't resort to copyright violations anymore because I have followed Wikipedia rules that forbid pasting text from copyrighted online articles.Nothosaurus (talk) 22:19, 22 March 2022 (UTC)Vahe Demirjian


 * You are still editing Wikipedia despite being a banned user, which is also against the rules. Why would we trust you? BilCat (talk) 22:32, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
 * My account for User:Extrapolaris was recently locked by someone so that I couldn't edit foreign-language Wikis, and I accidentally created the account User:Snubble by accident. Therefore, trust me, just as Kaa from the movie Jungle Book says to Mowgli, "Trust in Me". Nothosaurus (talk) 22:35, 22 March 2022 (UTC)


 * You are not allowed to edit Wikipedia at all, as you are a banned user. It doesn't matter why you were banned. You have repeatedly violated you ban by using sockpuppetry, both on IPs and new registered accounts. Please honor all of our rules. I've told you before that I'd support your ban being lifted if you'd. stop editing Wikipedia completely for a year. Yet you continue. The next time you sock after this, that offer will be withdrawn. So please stop. BilCat (talk) 22:40, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * Blocked per their own admission of socking above. .-- Jezebel's Ponyo bons mots 22:53, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
Same crossover between aircraft and paleontology. Article editing strongly overlaps. Hemiauchenia (talk) 00:31, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

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Yup, it's them. See also Special:Contributions/2600:1012:B1AE:E6C1:E838:662E:AFD9:95D4, where they returned to Aichi E12A an old page they have frequented before. BilCat (talk) 18:53, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * No edits since November 28. Closing. Bbb23 (talk) 13:47, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
This user just recreated, which has been targeted before by this sockpuppeteer. There also seems to be a similar pattern of editing "missing article" pages. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 04:48, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Also, Prof McCarthy placed a message on User:68.101.120.164 back in 2011 claiming that they edited from that IP. Not sure how much that applies after 12 years, but I thought I'd point that out; Prof McCarthy, any comments? —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 04:51, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

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Going through the contributions again shows a strong similarilty in editing style with the more recent sockpuppets: editing pages related to subjects about dinosaurs, aircraft, and missing articles. Requesting CheckUser with this evidence in mind. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 03:08, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * . For privacy and policy reasons, CheckUser information cannot be used to publicly connect accounts to their IP addresses—see WP:CUIPDISCLOSE. Additionally, even if this were allowed, CheckUser data is only retained for 90 days, and all historical socks of this master have not edited in more than 90 days, so this case is too stale for CheckUser. I will observe that the geolocation of 68.101.120.164 does align with the IPs that have historically edited the Aichi E12A redirect, and this interest in internal project pages related to missing articles and aircraft does seem rather idiosyncratic of Extrapolaris.  for 3 months, closing. Mz7 (talk) 04:53, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
Same pattern of editing to dinosaurs and redlinked rare aircraft (see edits by this IP about dinosaurs and to AfC/R requesting to redirect several aircraft:.) Extrapolaris was suspected of editing from related IPs in November 2022.

Other edits to aircraft lists and templates from this group of IPs:    and all of these:

They have also been requesting multiple redlinked rare aircraft be redirected to their manufacturer pages via AfC/R:             (These are particularly disruptive because the requests are not based on the Notability of the subject, but on the user's subjective opinion of the importance of the subject and/or the ease of locating sources. In at least 2-3 cases, there are very many reliable sources available, and they're just off the top of my head.)

Oddly, Extrapolaris, editing from this blocked IP requested redirects for two obscure aero engines:, then once the redirects were in place, IPs that are the subject of this report created articles over the top of them   (quickly deleted because they were so poorly sourced). I don't know what to make of this behaviour -- maybe a belief that changing a redirect to an article wouldn't trigger the same kind of attention as creating a new article would?

I haven't requested a Checkuser because I don't understand this process well enough to know if it would be of any benefit in controlling this behaviour. But it's been going on for over a week now, and is disruptive and destructive. --Rlandmann (talk) 13:35, 2 July 2024 (UTC) Rlandmann


 * Also note this sequence of events: 68.101.102.164 creates a draft about an aircraft design on 21 June. It's declined by two editors due to sourcing concerns. So 2600:1012:b1c4:a4d:e138:7b1c:cfe9:5e79 requests it for redirection on 25 June. --Rlandmann (talk) 13:54, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

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 * Thanks, for that very thorough report. I have spent some time checking the editing histories, and the case is clear beyond all reasonable doubt. The trick of asking for a redirect and then getting a different IP address to convert it to an article to avoid having to have an autonconfirmed account is particularly noteworthy.
 * I have blocked the range 2600:1012:b1c0::/4 for two months. I would have liked a longer block, but although recently almost all of the editing from the range has been from this editor, further back there's a lot of editing which seems unrelated, so a longer block wouldn't be acceptable. There have been no edits from the range 2600:1012:b1bb:e000::/52 since December 2020 that were not clearly from this editor, so I've blocked that range for 6 months. I've blocked 174.243.210.67 for three months. I had already blocked 68.101.120.164.
 * Incidentally, Rlandmann, requesting a a Checkuser would not have achieved anything, as policy forbids Checkusers from publicly connecting IP addresses to accounts, so the request would just have been refused. JBW (talk) 10:14, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks JBW for the analysis, action, and advice. Much appreciated. --Rlandmann (talk) 11:55, 3 July 2024 (UTC)