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27 March 2015

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The following users have inserted a "Yezidi flag" in the article Yazidis and try to distance them from the Kurds. Ezidishingali (alternate, alternate), Drage100, Iwano7p, Pitvia12, Walopl23, Mal4fz, Unse4rt.

This edit by Irawi00 is less obvious, until you translate the stories they link to:
 * The first says"The Shabak and the Yazidis are both usually classified as "Kurdish", and some members of these minorities also feel it recognized because they feel as separate ethno-religious groups."
 * The second is titled "The Kurds are against the Yazidis"
 * The third presents the Kurds as almost persecuting the Yazidis.

These sources were later restored by Pitvia12, Walopl23, Mal4fz, and Unse4rt.

This edit by Zanielzayer reverses "The Yazidis are monotheists who believe in a benevolent peacock angel (Melek Taus) and whose ancient gnostic faith has elements of Zoroastrianism, Christianity and Islam" to "The Yazidis are monotheists who believe in a benevolent peacock angel (Tawsi Melek) and whose ancient gnostic faith has influence on Zoroastrianism, Christianity and Islam" - which (aside from not being supported by sources) promotes Yezidiism into a prime position (something in line with the other accounts). This edit by the same user censors Yezidiism's relationship to Zoroastrianism, a relationship that would be natural if the Yezidis were Kurds.

Except for Ezidishingali, most of the accounts were disposed of after a short amount of time, and were WP:SPAs focused on distancing the Yezidis from the Kurds. This looks too much like an attempt to create an artificial consensus, maybe even avoid WP:SCRUTINY. Ian.thomson (talk) 22:19, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

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 * I just threw in a free block for, a brand-new editor doing the same thing. , , CU would be appreciated: this person is tenacious. I'm going to semi-protect the article since life is too short to let this shit go on unchecked. Toodles, Drmies (talk) 00:39, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
 * The following accounts are ✅:




 * The following account is :




 * --Bbb23 (talk) 16:59, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
 * As we're "short-clerked", I indeffed the master and all confirmed accounts, as well as tagged them. I'll leave Zanielzayer for someone else to analyze from a behavioral (and timing) perspective.--Bbb23 (talk) 19:03, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

— Berean Hunter   (talk)  15:03, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Closing without further action. The last account may be a throw-away...if it goes active again and still looks like it may be involved in socking, please refile.

06 May 2015

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Usual attempts to censor Kurdish relations. Also, Ezidishingali and Hshingal? Ian.thomson (talk) 13:35, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

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— Berean Hunter   (talk)  14:51, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
 * - - Similar usernames and similar interest. The CU should also look for sleepers because of the previous large number of socks.  Vanjagenije   (talk)  10:19, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
 * appears to be ❌. - Mailer Diablo 13:42, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Since there hasn't been any activity from that account in ten days, we may not see it editing again. Closing for now.

25 May 2015

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All WP:SPAs focused on promoting the uniqueness of the Yazidis (Ezidishingali's focus), all (except Hafidab) cite the same academia.edu piece that does not deny the Kurdish connection but discusses the Yazidi's desire to be considered distinct. It is possible that there could be two sockmasters here (Fiiraat probably the other one), but there's also reason to suspect that they're the same person. Miameko is Sunneder.r (both also tried to turn Ezidxan into more than a redirect, showing the same sloppy use of sources as all the other accounts). Sunneder.r is Shehourss. Hafidab promoted Miameko's article Ezdiki, citing a story previously cited by Ezidishingali. Miameko posts material to Kurdification comparable to Ezidishingali claiming human rights violations by Kurdish authorities. Ian.thomson (talk) 16:06, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

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 * The following accounts are ✅:
 * Based on limited data, is ❌ to the master but just  to, a previously suspected puppet (see archives). Fiiraat is the older of the two accounts.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:13, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Confirmed accounts blocked/tagged. No action against Fiiraat or Zanielzayer. Closing.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:28, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Based on limited data, is ❌ to the master but just  to, a previously suspected puppet (see archives). Fiiraat is the older of the two accounts.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:13, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Confirmed accounts blocked/tagged. No action against Fiiraat or Zanielzayer. Closing.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:28, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Based on limited data, is ❌ to the master but just  to, a previously suspected puppet (see archives). Fiiraat is the older of the two accounts.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:13, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Confirmed accounts blocked/tagged. No action against Fiiraat or Zanielzayer. Closing.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:28, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

26 May 2015

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Restoring the Miameko version of Ezidxan, restoring the Fiiraat version of Yazidis. CU to figure out if they're really Ezidishingali or Zanielzayer. If it's the latter, I'll file a separate Zanielzayer page with Fiiraat and Elmap22. Ian.thomson (talk) 21:08, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

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 * is ✅.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:00, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Blocked, tagged, closing.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:28, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

15 July 2015

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Attempting to recreate Ezdiki and Ezidxan, same edits as previous socks. Ian.thomson (talk) 00:04, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

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 * - Per provided diffs.  Vanjagenije  (talk)  00:06, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
 * is ✅. Blocked, tagged, closing.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:14, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

23 July 2015

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Attempting to recreate the Ezidxan page again, just like Miameko, Elmap22, and Makzbul. Ian.thomson (talk) 16:20, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
 * And tried to recreate Ezdiki, just like the other socks (see article history). Ian.thomson (talk) 21:01, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

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 * Maltin Kant also created Yazidi Flag, which seems to be in line with what would be expected of the master (though I'm not very active in this topic area). Everymorning (talk) 00:37, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: User blocked indef, sock or not, for copy vios. -- Orduin  Discuss 17:42, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

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 * - Recreating Ezidxan like previous socks, but the text is not identical. So, I'm not 100% sure. CU is needed to confirm.  Vanjagenije  (talk)  10:54, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
 * In my view the behavioral evidence is persuasive. However, technically, is between  and .--Bbb23 (talk) 04:15, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Only administrators and clerks may change the case status to "closed", see: WP:SPI/PROC.  Vanjagenije  (talk)  21:26, 11 August 2015 (UTC)  Vanjagenije   (talk)  21:26, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Closing the case.  Vanjagenije  (talk)  23:42, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

01 September 2015

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Except for one automated clean up edit, the history of the article List of Yazidi organizations shows the sequence of accounts, as well as the IP addresses (located in Germany, all the account names being fairly Germanic).

Account activities are pretty sequential: Maltin is blocked, August shows up a couple of days later, starts to receive warnings and quits editing, Christine shows up a couple of days later. They're quite focused (almost singularly) on creating or expanding Yazidi related articles (especially "Yazidis in (country)" articles) in ways that completely fail WP:V or WP:GNG, as well as expanding Ezidishingali related articles such as Ezidxan and Ezdiki:
 * Maltin: Creating Yazidis in Georgia by plagiarizing a source that was only added in a later edit. Creating Yazidis in Russia, with no sources.  Adding a bunch of redlinks to Yazidis in Armenia.
 * 92.: Adding redlink to List of Yazidi people
 * August: Starting a Yazidis in the Netherlands article that initially lacks sources, then citing pages that fail WP:RS.
 * Christine: Expanding Yazidis in the Netherlands by renaming Yazidi Kurdish to Kurmanji, adding the Yazidi flag. Attempting to restore the unsourced article, and removing the redirect again.
 * 31. (probably the user's phone): Blanking the redirect of Ezidxan to make way for Christine's latest edit, as they have done before. Inserting links to "Ezidki" in articles.

The accounts all have a tendency to spell hello "Hallo," or leave messages to themselves - Maltin, August, Christine. The use of "we" in the August message makes me wonder if we're not dealing with meatpuppetry, which would explain the overlap with Ezidshingali despite the difference in location. Ian.thomson (talk) 09:35, 1 September 2015 (UTC) 17:00, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

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Note: Christine_Wendeburg-Schaper has been blocked by. Ian.thomson (talk) 17:43, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

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 * The three accounts are ✅. I blocked the unblocked puppet and tagged all. I blocked the 31 IP for one month. The other hasn't edited since August 18 and is not worth blocking. Closing.--Bbb23 (talk) 19:56, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Should this report be merged with the Ezidishingali SPI? You had said there that "In my view the behavioral evidence is persuasive. However, technically, is between and." and, at a quick glance, the editing history at Ezidxan, Ezdiki etc suggests that the behavioral evidence for it being the same bunch of socks is even stronger now. Abecedare (talk) 20:52, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I looked at my comments at the other SPI before I closed this one. If anything, the technical evidence is stronger now than it was then, namely no technical connection between the two listed masters. Part of that is because the technical evidence related to the accounts at this SPI is as good as it gets. It's always possible that with the passage of time the master uses different IPs with different OSes and different browsers, but it seems unlikely. Still, that doesn't rule out that the accounts belong to the same person, but it makes it harder to reach that conclusion. However, if you analyze the behavior in-depth and think the behavioral connection is truly compelling, I'll merge them. Just let me know what you decide. Sorry to be a bit long-winded, but I wanted to provide you with as much information as possible.--Bbb23 (talk) 21:29, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
 * No issues with keeping the SPIs separate. Frankly, my look at the sock-puppetry evidence was pretty causal: I just happened to notice this edit on my watchlist and wanted to make sure that it was by design. Thanks for the detailed reply and sorry for making you run the extra lap. Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 21:46, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

05 September 2015

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Created Sinjar Defense Force. Also performed Special:Diff/679497532, adding content to Ezdiki which was a redirect before. Gparyani (talk) 01:59, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

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 * The following accounts are ✅ to :
 * I've blocked and tagged them appropriately. I'm leaving this in a checked status in case a clerk wants to do something with Sockpuppet investigations/Ezidishingali--Bbb23 (talk) 05:04, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Merged, blocked and tagged. Closing. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 01:51, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I've blocked and tagged them appropriately. I'm leaving this in a checked status in case a clerk wants to do something with Sockpuppet investigations/Ezidishingali--Bbb23 (talk) 05:04, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Merged, blocked and tagged. Closing. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 01:51, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

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Suddenly we have three brand new users edit-warring all over the place in articles related to Ezids. In particular, Qbub created Ezdiki, which is a hoax: it says the language is the same as Kurmanji, for which we have a separate article, and a citation in Iranica is falsified (Kurmanji replaced by Ezdiki). They were edit-warring and failed to discuss, Finally, I blocked them for vandalism, and Rico Alvarez appeared out of nowhere and continued to revert without discussions. All three accounts I mention recently edited Yazidis and edit-warred in other articles of the topic. This is exactly what the only sock of this master I am familiar with, User:Maltin Kant, was doing.--Ymblanter (talk) 17:41, 14 November 2016 (UTC) Ymblanter (talk) 17:41, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

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 * Hmm. Two groups here that are ✅ to each other but to be related.
 * Group 1:
 * per Doug Weller's comment below Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 23:14, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
 * per Doug Weller's comment below Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 23:14, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
 * per Doug Weller's comment below Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 23:14, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
 * per Doug Weller's comment below Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 23:14, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
 * per Doug Weller's comment below Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 23:14, 11 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Group 2:


 * All blocked without tags. to determine if this is Ezidishingali. If not, Wagemut is the oldest account, and there's already an SPI filed on him. I took 's earlier findings into account when determining if these accounts are related, and I'm extremely confident the evidence is sufficient now to say they are. Katietalk 18:37, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

is a confirmed and blocked member of the first group, also untagged. Doug Weller talk 17:05, 21 November 2016 (UTC)


 * the best I can do here is that the two groups appear to be the same based on behaviour, especially edit warring to turn the same redirects into articles with a similar POV. There's too much of a gap from when the Ezidishingali sockfarm last edited to when Wagemut picked up, and not enough behavioural overlap. Tagging and clerking accordingly, back shortly to close. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 23:14, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Relevant info copied to Sockpuppet investigations/Wagemut. Case closed. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 23:40, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

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I realize any CU data will be stale but there is significant overlap with several socks from this master, including:
 * Overlap with
 * Recreation of Yazidis in Australia which was created by who's master is now blocked as an Ez sock.
 * more crossover here with Rico Alvarez CHRISSY MAD  ❯❯❯  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯  16:16, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

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 * , so . Closing. TonyBallioni (talk) 16:21, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

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Same overlapping interest as last sock and recreation of Yazidis in Afrin. CHRISSY MAD ❯❯❯  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯  13:28, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

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 * - This looks like the same person to me. Please block the new sock indefinitely. Sir Sputnik (talk) 14:57, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
 * . Primefac (talk) 15:29, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

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,, , , (Commons), (Administrators' noticeboard) Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 18:03, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

So the main account (Jahmalm) and the two IP's have already been blocked due to sockpuppetry. Yet, as soon as they were blocked, two new accounts (Zeitgeist89 and Perous) showed up and started editing the two pages Ezdiki language and Ezidkhan the same way the three former did. Again, the person was directed to the talk page to discuss the substance with no response. I have added the link to the discussion at Administrators' noticeboard above. --Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 18:07, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

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 * Jahmalm and Perous are ✅. Zeitgeist89 is between and . It is more likely to be a meat puppet. I am therefore blocking and tagging Perous, and blocking Zeitgeist89 without a tag. I have also tagged the master. Closing.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:58, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

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Same pattern as previous socks. This seems like a sleeper account, which rushed to be autoconfirmed. I thought they would stop, but this formerly productive editor has strongly held beliefs. w umbolo  ^^^  18:47, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

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 * ✅. —DoRD (talk)​ 19:08, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Closing. Sir Sputnik (talk) 01:59, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

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This is a clear duck case. The previous sock performed random edits to get to autoconfirmed ASAP. I called it out. Now the editor has resorted to editing random AfD-nominated articles so that I wouldn't notice it.

Now the meat and potatoes. BtwApex has translated Yazidi New Year from the German wiki (see de:Jesidisches Neujahrsfest), and what do we have here as one of the last Jahmalm's edits on dewiki:. The article should be deleted per WP:G5 if this SPI succeeds. w umbolo  ^^^  13:47, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

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 * - May as well make this air tight given that the master and other (confirmed) socks area non-stale. The SandDoctor  Talk 22:09, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
 * - Per behavior. Thanks, GABgab 13:32, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Considering behavior and CU results, BtwApex is a highly match. . —DoRD (talk)​ 16:19, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Cabayi (talk) 18:09, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Closing. Cabayi (talk) 18:09, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

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Coron Arol uses the same tactics like Jahmalm (and all the other three dozens of sock puppets) by always reporting me to ANE when I confronted their POV-push. This time, even an admin found it odd that a newly made account would report me to ANE for an incident which the user was not part of. Furthermore, Coron Arol keeps themselves to the same topic as Jahmalm did. Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 14:10, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

Jahmalm and Nathan Annick use the same arguments (or claims) on the same articles, same way of referencing (only one I know who uses ', , etc'). --Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 14:15, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

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I have never heard about this user. And I have never reported you on ani but only one time for editwarring. Coron Arol (talk) 14:15, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

I don’t know what you mean and I don’t know this user. I just added some sources and you deleted them. Please stop annoying me. Nathan Annick (talk) 14:33, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

The request for the 2nd editor should be declined. the citation style is the default WP:VE style. It is ridiculous, though I believe there are changes coming in the future. w umbolo  ^^^  21:44, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Looking at the behavior, I still believe that the user is affiliated to Jahmalm/Ezidishingali.the urge to report me to ane or aniwhether Kurmanji is a Kurdish dialect or language is a consistent theme with the sockpuppets and the persistent push to remove the word 'Kurdish' from the 'Kurmanji' article --Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 20:02, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

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❌, closing.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:55, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

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The first two socks might be stale so feel free to decline CU. I'm trying to connect Ezidishingali and Jahmalm. Here's my rationale. Ezidishingali has a sock called User:Maltin Kant who has overlap with User:Lilia123456 at Եզդիներ and with User:Hulgaro at Hêza Parastina Êzîdxan. Over at Êzîdxan Protection Force, Hulgaro and Lilia123456 have edited in a very short timespan. At that same article, we have three socks of Ezidishingali and Jahmalm themself. (I believe that the sockmaster is female because one sock, which is not blocked, has posted a photo of herself, which has since been deleted.) Hulgaro has been brought to my attention because of the edits at Jesiden. And the thing bringing all of this together is that Lilia123456 has cross-posted several Yazidi photos to Commons, Hulgaro has uploaded three Yazidi insignia to Commons, and Ezidkhan flags are the most common thing for all of the socks mentioned above. I wouldn't be surprised if is also a sock because they uploaded the Ezidkhan flag that is used by many socks and IPs, and prominently featured at multiple Yazidi article. w umbolo  ^^^  22:24, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Strike confusing because I didn't realise they were blocked. w umbolo   ^^^  22:25, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

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 * Hulgaro and Lilia123456 are . That said, Sockpuppet investigations/Jahmalm is ✅ to this case. Please merge the Jahmalm case into this one and retag.  Good eye. Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:10, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅. Closing. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 13:54, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

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Every edit resembles a sock. Compare with Special:Contributions/93.100.189.61. w umbolo  ^^^  17:42, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Absolute proof: this edit is two hours before this edit. courtesy ping. w umbolo  ^^^  19:10, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Shouldn't talk page access be revoked from ? w umbolo  ^^^  19:11, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

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Strawtrau is using proxies. That said, they match the UA for. Additionally, edits that they made while logged out suggest they are in the same country as Jahmalm instead of the country where the proxies are located. — Berean Hunter   (talk)  19:31, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
 * as a suspected sock based on behaviour. Closing. TonyBallioni (talk) 23:29, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

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Attempted framing of Ahmedo Semsurî. Editing pattern is similar to previous socks. The username "Ahmetyall" is similar to "Ahmetyal" which Ahmedo used to have. There are many indicators that this is not a new account, but it is obvious anyway. If SPI fails, there's a good chance this is a sock of some other reported user above. It makes no sense at all to do these edits other than frame someone as a sockmaster. I recommend an indefinite block regardless of the outcome of SPI. w umbolo  ^^^  16:58, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

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Account now blocked. Closing.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:40, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

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Empty userpage on enwiki and dewiki like other socks, edits expected articles. w umbolo  ^^^  00:17, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

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I am sure you are confusing me with someone. And next time after you reverted my edits and acussed me of sock puppetry please leave a message on my talk page. -Pantoras (talk) 02:05, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

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 * . --Deskana (talk) 10:19, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
 * . Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 13:33, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

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Look at these edits. It is obviously Nathan Annick because the edits implement this one-month-old comment in its entirety. It is also obviously a sock of Ezidishingali as the edits also remove Kurds from the photos in the article, and wikilink to Sinun which has been created and edited by sockpuppets of Ezidishingali. w umbolo  ^^^  13:24, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

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I found Nathan Annick to be ❌ on June 2, 2019. It is in the archive but wasn't visible because of a collapse, which I've now altered so it is visible. Closing.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:47, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

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There are more IP's but not active and the three included are the most recent ones.


 * These accounts all have three things in common;
 * Attempting to remove anything which alludes to Kurds in Yazidi pages.
 * They begin their editing soberly by cleaning up random pages and then proceed to edit the Yazidis page or other related articles with small edits before they start their POV-push. When their edits then get contested, they stop editing all together. This is a pattern I've seen since April or May and will be detailed below. I've been reluctant from filling in an investigation but now the accounts are actually supporting each other on their own proposals on talk pages.
 * When I confront them they tend to all report me to ANI or the block request page. And the editors at ANI are all aware of the attempts to get me blocked and ridiculous amount of reports.


 * Short descriptions
 * B9Xyz: A good example of how most act. They start out decent by cleaning up random pages but then turn to Yazidi-related articles. In this case, the editor removed a whole page impulsively and start adding citation templates to sentences related to Kurds without being able to explain why in the talkpage. Moreover, B9Xyz is trying to succeed where'Nathan Annick' failed regarding the dislike of one particular sentence without giving any legitimate argument.


 * Gomaza: This account has been problematic for some time now with removal of references, however they were inactive for some time now which made reporting them a waste of time. However, they returned just in time when account B9Xyz needed back up for their peculiar POV claims,by basically echoing his nonsense.


 * Wingzs: Same pattern. Starts out constructively but then turns to Yazidi page and continues where other accounts previously failed. An example is removing info from the infobox which contains the 2011 Armenia census results where a significant number of Yazidis ticked the Armenian language as native language and Christianity as their religion. Wingzs chose to remove this info. Removing this specific info was also targeted by other suspicious accounts.


 * ありがとうありがとう: This account had the same pattern of starting out decent, but unlike the others, they were only making trouble in the Shabaks article. Yet, similarly, when their edits are contested, they just move on without responding or caring for the removal of their edits..

Overall, I believe that this is one editor behind all of these accounts with the intention of removing significant and neutral information from various articles related to Yazidis. And the fact that they, until recently, tended to not confront when other editors remove their edits, only strengthens my belief that it is sockpuppetry. Why spend time debating with others when you can just create a new account and continue your editing. Nevertheless, I've been engaged with these suspicious accounts since April this year, while the first investigation of Ezidishingali is dated back to March 2015(!). Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 11:02, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

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 * I'd like to endorse this checkuser. Verification in a dispute like this should be something we start doing automatically. It's nearly impossible to have a discussion with someone who is willing to attempt to stack the deck in their favor. Buffs (talk) 22:16, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

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 * I consider it behaviorally unlikely these are one person. Edit histories are too brief to see a match in time-of-day preferences, so that's useless for this. Edit summary and discussion style is inconsistent, unless someone is trying really hard to look like four different people. The IPs are from three completely different regions, and do not appear to be any kind of obvious proxies. The IPv6 address is actually a user consistently at that range, Special:Contributions/2A02:8108:4DC0::0/48. I find it more plausible that several different people have all taken notice of something from an outside source, social media complaining about Wikipedia, for instance. I do consider it plausible that any or all of these users are socks of someone or another, but the group presented is at least three people, imo. Someguy1221 (talk) 10:55, 5 September 2019 (UTC) Someguy1221 (talk) 10:55, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
 * This is going nowhere. Closing. Bbb23 (talk) 12:47, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
I suspect that all these accounts are sockpuppets of. I have gathered and observed the following similarities between these users in regards to the timings, behaviour, and the type of page contents they typically target.

The user accounts, , , , , , , and  were created and/or last active on a high-scale level mostly back in 2019, after Ezidishingali's last SPI case when his confirmed socks were last detected. Since the start of 2022, these accounts in question have come back being simultaneously active again.

Simultaneously, brand new accounts, who I suspect to be new sock accounts, were created during a similar period and shared similar behaviour as the LTA and other socks, editing on the same topics. These accounts are as follows:



It is worth mentioning that the first three were created in the same month of January just some days apart.

I. The following accounts show a particular interest with obscure templates such as the language template lang-ku or lang-kmr. They show the aim to censor the term "Kurdish," despite Kurmancî being consensually accepted as the Northern Kurdish dialect:


 * 1) Aronyu,
 * 2) Dortana,
 * 3) Lonium,
 * 4) Neutrale Person,
 * 5) Gomaza,
 * 6) Marcel Schelzer.

They also seem to have tried to use some proxy IPs:  

II. A number of these accounts have the tendency of restoring pages or creating new pages that either the other users in question, or the confirmed accounts of the LTA have previously tried to create:


 * Yazidis in Turkey & Yazidis in Georgia, both of which, another confirmed sock, tried to create in 2015, were also recently restored by Dortana

 and also using IP proxies that likely belong to him.      Now in 2022, this page has been a target of disruptive editing by some of the users in question who targeted the same type of content mentioning Kurds, listed as follows:
 * Shabaks, which another confirmed sock,, persistently targeted. Aiming to remove several mentions of Kurds and disassociating this group from Kurds,


 * 1)
 * , a month after Stop Kurdification is reverted and blocked, Shabaks are not Kurds is created to target the same content.
 * , comes in making edits also with the aim of pushing a POV that dissociates Shabaks from Kurds, roughly a week after edits by.

Similarly, the pages Zazaistan and Zaza nationalism received disruptive edits from, similarly named as the aforementioned , and.



All three were created with the same aim to disassociate several subgroups from Kurds. Recently, these three accounts were involved in an SPI case.



It's worth noting that Shabaks and Zazas were some of the main topic interests of the LTA, he edited pages of various Zaza-Gorani dialects or languages with the sock accounts and :


 * 1) Shabaki language:
 * 2) Sarli language
 * 3) Bajelani language
 * 4) Zaza-Gorani languages, a week after one of Jahmalm's reverts on this page is reverted, he edits with the other sock Cafeshh


 * Kurmanc & Kurmanjis, in 2019, the sock changed the title of Kurmanji Kurds page to just Kurmanjis and added content that promoted a POV of disassociating Kurmanji from Kurdish identity.  Three years later in 2022, a new article, titled Kurmanc was created by Vangolo, another likely SPA sock. It was created coincidentally around the same time the other accounts in question were created or started becoming highly active again. He added content practically identical to the one that Cafeshh tried to add to Kurmanjis in 2019.  After several attempts by Vangolo to restore the article which were all reverted,  pops up on 3rd June to restore the article too.


 * Persecution of Yazidis by Kurds, Persecution of Yazidis by Muslim Kurds & Persecution of Yazidis, In 2019, Persecution of Yazidis by Kurds was created by  and extensively edited by .  A year later,  added back a lot of removed content that Lonium or Dortana had added,  and now, just as other accounts become active again in 2022 and new accounts are created,  tries to restore the article, two years after it had been redirected to another article.  Nine days after this unsuccessful attempt,  created a new CFORK page this time titled Persecution of Yazidis by Muslim Kurds, adding the exact same content that was on Persecution of Yazidis by Kurds.  And now once again on 3rd June, it is restored by


 * Kurdification & Kurdification of Yazidis, Kurdification was one of the topics that was mainly targeted by the LTA. He persistently edited the page with his socks for several years.

These socks were as follows:


 * 1)
 * 2)
 * 3)
 * 4)

Now, again as soon the aforementioned suspected accounts pop up during similar period,, another new, probably SPA account, tried to create a new page about the same topic, titled "Kurdification of Yazidis" on 10th March. This article was redirected to Kurdification but kept being restored by Hydralon back and forth for approximately two months. On 12th May, Aronyu popped up again and restored the article with the same content. 


 * Yazidi tribes & List of Yazidi tribes, Yazidi tribes was created in 2016 by the confirmed sock until it was redirected to Yazidis.  In 2022, Dortana created List of Yazidi tribes page.

III. Behaviour and activity on Wikimedia Commons:

In 2019, there was a deletion request of a Kurdistan Flag image file, the deletion was voted for by, & , numerous other likely IP socks and also , another account created in 2019 that is interested in topics related to Yazidis. These accounts cited very similar reasons for their vote, including there being "no country" or "official entity" called Kurdistan, lack of sourcing and the flag not being mutually used by all Kurds. An IP and Êzîdxan similarly cited Kurdistan and the flag to be fictitious.

IIII. Presence on German Wikipedia:

Outside of English Wikipedia, many of these accounts have had a particular presence on German Wikipedia and the LTA has been banned there too for sock abuse. A new page listing his sock accounts was created by Koenraad, a German Wikipedia admin. This list contains accounts that have already been confirmed to be socks of Ezidishingali on English Wikipedia (Jahmalm, Eztaz, etc.) and some of the aforementioned accounts in question, who are as follows:


 * 1) Dortana, blocked by  as together with User:Valkyrria, Dortana was found to be a sock of Feuer-Lilie.
 * 2) Folklora
 * 3) EzidiNaKurden
 * 4) B9Xyz
 * 5) One-Winged Dragon
 * , another account that was last active in 2019 and suddenly pops up again on German Wikipedia, editing on the LTA's typical areas of interest, including Kurmanci in Armenia, Shabaks and Amin Farhan Jejo, a politician whose page on English Wikipedia was created by Dortana.

There are two more accounts who have had presence on German Wikipedia too that are not on Koenraad's list but whom I suspect are socks too with the previous points considered:


 * 1) Contentcu
 * 2) Neutrale Person, edited on the German article of Shabaks, which is a common target topic of the LTA. Was banned for being a sock along with the confirmed EzidiShingali sock Jahmalm (originally Kaiduo), Omegalong and Domian Krause.

To conclude, I think performing a CU would be a good idea as I believe there's bound to be more accounts that I haven't yet discovered, be it sleeper socks or proxy IPs. And although this is mainly a single person behind these accounts, I think that at times, it is possible that some meatpuppetry is involved.

KurdeEzidi (talk) 21:06, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

I have removed the accounts below per request of Praxidicae:


 * 1) Lonium
 * 2) Folklora
 * 3) Oziarak
 * 4) Vangolo
 * 5) Zazas are not Kurds
 * 6) Yezidis are not Kurds
 * 7) Yazidis are not Kurds
 * 8) Shabaks are not Kurds
 * 9) Stop Kurdification
 * 10) Êzîdxan
 * 11) B9Xyz
 * 12) EzidiNaKurden
 * 13) Marcel Schelzer
 * 14) One-Winged Dragon

But, I have left the rest of the report as is for the record because I believe Sockpuppet investigations/Yazidis are not Kurds is related to this case with the similarities and overlapping topic targets of these socks and the LTA considered, especially if we take into account that even the blocking admin has stated that this probably is a LTA case.

As was the case with Sockpuppet investigations/Jahmalm, I think it is possible that the admin might wish to merge these two cases.KurdeEzidi (talk) 21:31, 5 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Semsûrî comments
 * I have added who shares similar behavior. They returned to editing after a pause of over a year only to revert a POV-page that was already getting reverted by Hydralon. Their "it has already been talked about in the talkpage"-behavior is also very similar. --Semsûrî (talk) 09:13, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

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 * has the same type of activity as the other accounts and should be included too. --Semsûrî (talk) 08:43, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
 * The disruption is continuing and we need some action here. If it still needs to be concise, could you say so. Thanks. --Semsûrî (talk) 08:53, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Semsûrî, your last edit wouldn't have triggered a ping because you need to use both a ping template and add a signature at the same time.  Schwede  66  00:37, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

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 * please pare this down to be more concise. Many of these accounts are already blocked or otherwise very stale. PRAXIDICAE💕  21:09, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
 * - In addition to the evidence presented and the German connection (see the archives for German IPs), a check would be helpful to compare the users in the suspected list (I haven't looked at others mentioned because of the clutter) against each other. Although the master and socks are stale, the CU data may also be helpful in conjunction with the check of the listed accounts. Bbb23 (talk) 00:52, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
 * -  Girth Summit  (blether)  09:41, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
 * This is complicated. They are dotting around a bunch of globally distributed IP ranges, and there is some use of VPNs (including VPNGate IPs). All of the following accounts share the same pattern, and certain other similarities - enough to persuade me that they are to be all the same person, using the same tricks to avoid detection:
 * The other accounts mentioned are stale.
 * (already blocked) looks like them as well.
 * is stale, but attempts have been made to log into it from the same person.
 * Finally, there are some scant notes on the proposed sockmaster on CUwiki. It's not enough for me to confidently make a connection purely on the technical data, but what I can see would certainly be consistent with this being the same person. Taking the behavioural notes into consideration, I'm going to block all as suspected to this master. Girth Summit  (blether)  10:11, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
 * The other accounts mentioned are stale.
 * (already blocked) looks like them as well.
 * is stale, but attempts have been made to log into it from the same person.
 * Finally, there are some scant notes on the proposed sockmaster on CUwiki. It's not enough for me to confidently make a connection purely on the technical data, but what I can see would certainly be consistent with this being the same person. Taking the behavioural notes into consideration, I'm going to block all as suspected to this master. Girth Summit  (blether)  10:11, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
 * The other accounts mentioned are stale.
 * (already blocked) looks like them as well.
 * is stale, but attempts have been made to log into it from the same person.
 * Finally, there are some scant notes on the proposed sockmaster on CUwiki. It's not enough for me to confidently make a connection purely on the technical data, but what I can see would certainly be consistent with this being the same person. Taking the behavioural notes into consideration, I'm going to block all as suspected to this master. Girth Summit  (blether)  10:11, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Finally, there are some scant notes on the proposed sockmaster on CUwiki. It's not enough for me to confidently make a connection purely on the technical data, but what I can see would certainly be consistent with this being the same person. Taking the behavioural notes into consideration, I'm going to block all as suspected to this master. Girth Summit  (blether)  10:11, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
Same efforts to censor "Kurdish" from every page. Yazidi languages was a POVfork created by a sockpuppet account just recently in an attempt to have a Kurdish languages without the word "Kurdish". Semsûrî (talk) 14:56, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

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 * IP already blocked; closing without further action.  Girth Summit  (blether)  22:08, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
Continues the work of other sock accounts by Ezidishingali. The fact that it was created in 2019 also harmonizes with the other accounts like, ,. Semsûrî (talk) 20:10, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

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 * Checkuser blocked by Ponyo. User:Oziarak who was mentioned in an earlier SPI has also been CU blocked. I think this one can be closed as well. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 20:44, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
Another sockpuppet account. This account was mentioned here Sockpuppet_investigations/Ezidishingali/Archive but was removed from the investigation to concise the report. Lo and behold, the account has become active again and continues where the other accounts stopped. Semsûrî (talk) 00:45, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

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 * Seems likely looking at the history of, and as with previous socks such as and  there is a German connection - they are attached and blocked on dewiki and this article they created uses German sources. (See also: de:Benutzer:Koenraad/Ein_Schurke_aus_dem_Morgenland.)  - please indef One-Winged Dragon as a suspected sock. Thanks,  Spicy (talk) 01:30, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
 * . --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she&#124;they&#124;xe) 05:22, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
Another one of their stale accounts that has awaken now. This one was also created in 2019 and returned to continue where the blocked accounts left off. Semsûrî (talk) 21:52, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

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 * Checkuser blocked and tagged by . I think this one can be closed. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 21:43, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
It screams of Ezidishingali. Both the useless merge requests that won't go anywhere and aldo the addition of templates to articles. One concrete example is the allergy towards the word Kurdistan Semsûrî (talk) 17:27, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

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 * Proxy now blocked, closing. Thanks, Spicy (talk) 21:33, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
Same interest in Yazidis, same POV in censoring everything Kurdish. Since most of the active accounts like Dortana, Neutrale Person, Gomaza etc have been blocked just recently, its very plausible that this sleeper account has become active again to continue the sockmaster's job. Semsûrî (talk) 14:03, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

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 * Matches the M.O. of POV-pushing by new-article creation. Between that, POV, and timing, I think it's worth seeing what CU says. . --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she&#124;they&#124;xe) 09:14, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
 * based on similar technical characteristics to those accounts found by Girth Summit in the 03 June 2022 archive..
 * Also, the following users are at least to Jenmaz but I am not blocking them until they edit further:  . Closing. KevinL ( aka L235 · t · c) 09:33, 10 July 2022 (UTC)