Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Faizhaider/Archive

16 December 2010

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According to their user pages. I suspect that Faizhaidar is using Humaliwaly (created in April 2010) as a sockpuppet for edit-wars and other bad stuff to avoid his main account from ever being blocked, in case he applies for adminship or other reasons. However, this is a violation because according to Sock puppetry .."the use of multiple accounts to deceive other editors, disrupt discussions, distort consensus, avoid sanctions, or otherwise violate community standards – sock puppetry – is forbidden." AllahLovesYou (talk) 00:40, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Both have the same Rizvi last name  and were born in India in the 1980s.
 * Both claim to have finished colleges there and are single males.
 * Both belong to the minority Shia sect of Islam. In the Indian languages Hum Aliwalay means I'm Shia, follower of Ali.
 * Both decorated their pages with India flags and provided similar info, etc.
 * Both have the same agenda, editing the same articles with exactly the same anti-Sunni and pro-Shia-centric POV.
 * Both are involved in the same discussions sharing the same view point and opposing the views of other editors (i.e. arguing that www.al-islam.org is a respectable reliable source after others said it isn't.).

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Only thing I want to say is that, that may be I and User:HumAliwaley share same surname i.e. Rizvi are Indians and Shi'a but if you know there are around 24 million Shi'as in India of whom around 7 million are Syeds and around 1 million of them are Rizvis (they are biggest clan of Syeds in India) and these people are spread around India from Kashmir in North to Tamil Nadu in South (i.e. distance of around 3,500 km) and from West Bengal in East to Gujarat in West (i.e. around 2,750 km), so, their may be people with common characteristics in that great bucket of people who are totally unaware of each other. I want to add that I and User:HumAliwaley have not always shared common ground and have some difference of opinion at place e.g. Talk:Hallaur, etc. (there are few more places but at present I'm giving only this as an example). User:AllahLovesYou has posted me here just to disrupt my involvement (which pointed out his/her attack and abusive comments) in the articles and scare away from his/her scope of articles, infact this user itself may be involved in such involvements. -- Sayed Mohammad Faiz Haider t c s 05:41, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

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They could be brothers or cousins for all you know. Please provide more concrete evidence of violations. Thank you. -- Avi (talk) 04:05, 16 December 2010 (UTC)


 * I have to agree with Avi here. There is nothing in the evidence I see that is distinct or concrete. I'm sure that there are plenty of people who fit at least half the descriptions that AllahLovesYou has stated. Please provide more concrete evidence.  Elockid (Alternate)   ( Talk ) 17:00, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Faizhaider described himself as a very smart fellow on his user page and my description (about him possibly using the Humawaliwaly as a spare or sidekick to avoid penalties) fits together. If this is true, he made Humaliwalay an Indian ID (without revealing too much other info as given on Faizhaider's page), which at least puts him in the same country or region in case an admin was doing an IP check. Humaliwalay appears as a more experianced Wikipedia editor although that ID was only created in 2010 while Faizhaider was created in 2006. I just feel that they are one, both users show similar attitude towards me. They've been writing to eachother since around June 2010 (little over a month after Humaliwalay was created), which was probably to avoid future suspicions, etc. Faizhaider stated that there are "24 million Shi'as" in India, sure, but there are 1.1 billion people there. I have no more to add and I thought all this was enough proof. If you say it's not the same person then I will no longer look at them that way. Thanks for taking the time to investigate this report.--AllahLovesYou (talk) 00:35, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

I can only refute AllahLovesYou's allegations as I am in UAE since over 6 months whereas User FaizHaider edits from India. Accuser User only highlights our similarities and not the differences like we have had arguments on Hallaur subject also Faizhaider is 3 years elder than me, FaizHaider has completed his studies however I am still pursuing MBA FaizHaider is on Wikipedia since years and I am new. Humaliwalay (talk) 05:38, 18 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Just a side note, a person can use proxy servers to appear in different continents or countries. Argument with self to make it look as it is between 2 users in order to fool others is an old trick. Someone who creates a sock is not stupid to choose the same exact birthdate or other the info.--AllahLovesYou (talk) 09:06, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

I think this user is having some kind of malice against me, I did not even know that proxy server can be used to hide IP location. Secondly, this user accused me of suspected sock of User SyedNaqvi90 [I have provided the link] and it was rejected by good faith Admins. Now again Check User has declined still this User is adamant to accept the decision and always calls me Shia. HUMALIWALAY no where contains the word "Shia". "Shia" when translated in Urdu means "Dost" "Friend" No where in my User name is the word DOST. Now this User is translating my Username as per his convenience. This may provoke me to take it to Admins as i am often called by 1 particular Religion despite of having a Username hence I am discriminated [So far I have never revealed my Religion] I don't think that's needed here. - Humaliwalay (talk) 13:37, 18 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Humaliwalay, this page is about sock investigation only. Please read my comment at the ANI noticeboard.--AllahLovesYou (talk) 04:13, 19 December 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm closing this for now. It seems this case may be some form of vengeance or whatever, but without a whole lot of evidence, I don't really see any reason to continue this. —  Hello Annyong  (say whaaat?!) 17:03, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Yes, for sure this was a revenge and also to put a bad name to the parties accused here. Accuser was reported. - Humaliwalay (talk) 18:42, 19 December 2010 (UTC)